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INA199A3 - malfunction

Dear costumer support,

We would like to use the INA199A3 type IC product to measure the power consumption of circuits, but we have several issues regarding the application of this product.

To describe the problem I have attached a drawing of the circuit, and also a part of the PCB near the IC.

Two kind of applications can be found on the drawing of the same PCB:

1st application:

a,             at first we connected the shunt resistor with (R125, R127) series resistors to the IC’s inputs, (the shunt resistor is the PCB’s 18mm long, 2,5mm wide 18um thick copper foil/film, approx. 7mΩ).

                The series resistor’s value was 5R1/1206/1%.

80% of the circuits have had serious problems during operation:

most of the outputs had the IC’s supply voltage, the rest had either 0V or set in between 0 and 5V, by having 0mA shunt current (the consumer circuit has been disconnected), however the 0V outputs’ error was that even significant current (1A) couldn’t cause voltage output.

The rest (20%) worked more or less correctly.

We have tried to assimetrically adjusting the series resistors (0R to 5R1), most of the time the output range of the IC „could be adjusted” to be in useable range – but this is not normal operation, and there have been cases when even the short-circuiting of the IC inputs had no effect on the output.

The IC’s supply voltage is provided by LM2594M-5V, this supply voltage is filtered with several 10u capacitors on the panel’s conductive foil. We have tried to increase the capacity, but that also hadn’t changed things.

We have tried replacing the IC in the malfunctioning circuits, the operation changed considerably ever, and improved in many cases.

These observations are based on the testing of 15 boards’, including 60 circuits (4 measuring circuits / PCB).

PCB board there wasn’t any correlation statistically between the different circuits’ position and behaviour

b,            In the next step we left out the series resistors completely, and replaced it with short circuit.

The percentage of faulty operation has been lowered to 35%.

During the test of 20 boards, we haven’t found any which had +supply voltage on its output while having 0A shunt current, however in some cases it stayed at approx. 500mV, and there have been some which haven’t increased their output even at 1A shunt current.

IC replacement solved the problem in 90% of the cases, and it changed the values in the rest of the cases.

We have tried to increase the IC’s reference input with a resistor divider to 400mV in a circuit which had 0V output, this resulted in the output having 400mV as well, and it reacted with a proportionate change in the shunt current output.

2nd application:

In this case the IC reference level has been increased to 2,7V with a resistor divider,

which was ok for those circuits which worked, the output was also 2,7V while having 0A shunt current.

The rate of malfunctioning was 40%. In this case we observed the following errors during operation, the output didn’t align with the reference level, and/or from the inputs even if only one had potential (battery) on it the output still changed, however the shunt hasn’t had any current, current should have been only on the IC inputs , but because of the shunt this had to arise on the other input as well, so difference should not occur.

The shorting of the series resistors resulted in significant improvement in this case also, but the symptoms have stayed, which changed after IC replacement or –most of the time- improved.

Please inform me if you know about any manufacturing defect concerning the above mentioned IC, or if we are applying/using the IC wrongly.

Thank you in advance!

Best Regards,

J. Botyanszki

  • Hi Janos,

    For some reason we can't see the schematic or pcb layout pics. Please attach them one more time.

    Regards,
    Mayrim
  • Dear Mayrim,

    I am trying to insert my schematic, and pcb pictures...

      isense_ti_sch.pdf

    isense_ti_pcb.pdf

    regards,

    Janos

  • Dear Janos,

    We were hoping to get some more information from you.

    In all the cases of failure you are quantifying, are you seeing the part rail to Vsupply? Or in some cases is the measurement just outside the scope of measurable tolerance? We need to know what you are constituting as a fail, as you mention removal of the filter resistors lowered the percentage of faulty operation. Could you clarify this? As you are using the A3 version of the part (200 V/V gain), you only have a Vsense window of 25mV operating with a supply voltage of 5V before the device will rail to the output. If Vsense >25mV, a saturated output is to be expected. Also, what common mode are you operating at for the device in each design?

    Is it possible to isolate the device on one of the boards and inject an input signal to see if you get the expected output on the other side?

    It isn't recommended to use PCB trace as the shunt resistor, as there are too many possible factors that introduce error into the circuit. Trace tolerances in three dimensions, uniformity of copper in the trace, copper density, all of these can lead to errors that may alter the measured resistance of the shunt, and those errors will then be amplified by a factor of 200.

    Finally, which version of the part are you running? As you are on the high side, depending on the nature of the transients from your power supply when it is switched on, it has the capability to cause damage to the parts. If you look at the excerpt from the datasheet below, you can find the metrics for where version B should be utilized.

    Hope this helps,

    Carolus