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INA169NA

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I'm using INA169NA to sense current at +4.2V rail of the power supply. Amplifier is powered from +7.5V supply. The voltage created by measured current  is taken

from across filtering 1.5uH inductor with DC coil resistance 3.88 mOhm. The flowing current I=2.7A, so it develops 10.48mV voltage across amplifier's inputs. Amplifier's output has 100KOhm resistor to GND, thus expected Gain=100 and the voltage at the output should be 1.048V. Instead, the output voltage is 0.81V. If the problem  I observe is related to the Total Output Error versus Vin, it shouldn't be 20% as I have but rather <5% if one to believe Fig.4 graph on the pg. 6 of the INA169 spec.

Please advise.

Thank you,

Alex Tsalyuk

  • Alex,

    Can you measure the voltages you are reporting on the pins of the device to confirm you are seeing these voltages?

    Also, are you saying you are attempting to use an inductor as a current shunt monitor? What is the tolerance of the DC coil resistance? The total error vs. Vin (figure 4) is only relative to the part. Any additional error introduced through other parts of the signal chain will compound that error. A good example is the coil above. If the tolerance of the coil is +/- 20%, which it may well be, that would introduce significant error into the system. Typically, shunts are small micro to milliohm resistors with extremely narrow error margins (<1%) for this very reason, as any error present in the resistance will be amiplified and be fed to the output. Is there a specific reason you are attempting to measure over an inductor?

    Carolus
  • Hi Carolus,

    1. I measured those voltages with Fluke 73III and Fluke 8062A several times with the same results.

    2. Inductor's spec states 20% tolerance for inductance and 5% for DC Resistance. The actual coil resistance was determined by actual measurement:

        I pushed 2A constant current through inductor and measured voltage drop with Fluke 8062A using Kelvin connection. The measured voltage was 7.76mV which   corresponds to 3.88mOhm.

    3. I'm not using a resistor shunt to save board space and reduce BOM cost. This is overcurrent protection circuit and does not need to be super precise but 20% error is too much.

    Thank you,

    Alex

  • Alex,

    After examining your system, I think you are driving the INA169 too close to the zero mark to achieve reasonable results. The recommended V_sense of this part is 100mV. By figure 4, at room temperature, you are closer to 7-9% error, on an incredibly sharp slope. The slope of the error being introduced at the 10mV range is extreme, and any deviations caused by external factors are contributing to the inaccuracy of the part on the bottom end. A way to check this would be to take the inductor off your board and inject a test voltage into the part more in the flat region of the curve of figure 4 (somewhere around 25-50mV differential), and see if this mitigates the error of your system. There is a 5% tolerance of the DC resistance of the inductor, but it seems like you've already taken that into account. You also need to look at the tolerance of the 100K resistor setting your gain on the output end, as this will also contribute error at the output. If this experiment provides more accurate results, it would correspond to finding an inductor with a higher DC coil resistance to increase the value of V_sense into that flat region of the curve.

    Alternatively, you could look at our parts LMP8640 and LMP8645. The LMP8640 is a socket equivalent part that can be driven more closely to zero without increasing error as you approach zero. It is available in 100 V/V. The LMP8645 has the ability to adjust the gain via resistor as the INA169 does, but requires a 6th pin.
  • Hi Carolus,

    I agree that when the voltage drop across sense resistor/inductor is <10mV, INA169 gain drops. If one interprets the Fig. 4 data as "typical", the maximum error may be off the chart (as it is in my case). However, if Fig. 4 represents the maximum error, then we still can't explain what is going on.
    Also, thank you for suggestions to consider other components.
    I believe we may close this case.

    Best Regards,

    Alex