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TLV3012: Propagation delay problem during cold temperature

Part Number: TLV3012


Hello,

I am using the TLV3012AIDCKT comparator of TI.

We checked the comparator at over temperature and we found that the propagation delay(tPHL)  is more than 12.5usec when freezing the board.

Refer our schematic, I place probes as following:

Input+ Pin 3 (green on the waveform)

Input-  Pin 4 (red on the waveform)

Output Pin 1 (blue on the waveform)

At the room temperature the tPHL is less than 3.5usec.(X1 to X2 at the waveform of Delay at RT picture)

When we freeze the board the  tPHL is more than 12.5usec.(X1 to X2 at the waveform of Delay at Freeze picture)

Notes:

  • Refer to tPLH (is okay), the propagation delay at  RT is about 3usec and  the propagation delay at  Freezing is about 5usec

  • The input overdrive is more than 100mV (see at the pictures) and we suppose to get  6.5usec typical.

 

  1. Why the delay (at freezing) is too long?

  2. If so, what is the maximum delay (tPHL) that can appear ?

 

BR
Doron

 



 

  •  Hi Doron,

    According to TLV3012 data sheet,

    1. temp range is -40C to +125C
    2. At Vcc=3.3V and -40C tLH = 5.9us and tHL = 6.5us (see data sheet clip attached)

    Depending on how you were "freezing the board", if the temperature is below -40C, the prop delay is not specified. It would be helpful if you could gauge the temperate at that you measure the timing.

    Btw,  the "slow" ramping signal at pin 3 (green) could contribute to a smaller delay which is caused by device's built-in hysteresis.

    Best regards.

    Jian Zhang

    LPAC Apps

  • Hi Doron,

    cause for the increased propagation delay time could be, that the threshold voltage comes the negative rail a bit too close.

    Also, you shouldn't expect a high switching speed from a nanopower comparator...

    Kai
  • Dear Kai,

    Do you have any suggestion for an alternative comparator ?

    We need this fix to be pin to pin as the board is already manufactured.

    We are looking for a Push-pull comparator with internal reference in SC70 package.

    Do you think the TLV3012A-Q1 will have faster response time in low temperatures ?

    Best regards,

    Nir.

  • Hi Nir,

    if the switching time specifications of datasheet between the TLV3012 and TLV3012A-Q1 do not differ, then I don't think, that the TLV3012A-Q1 will show a faster switching.

    As Jian already mentioned, what happens if the "green" ramp is steeper? Can you remove C24 for a test?

    Have you thought about adding an external hysteresis? This can significantly reduce the switching times! You would need to mount an additional resistor from the output of TLV3012 to the + input (with C24 being omitted).

    Kai