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TLE2027: Output latching near the negative rail during power-up

Part Number: TLE2027

I have been investigating a production problem for a circuit that uses several TLE2027 Op Amps.  One of the parts in our circuit occasionally will fail on a brand new board because the output latches itself near the negative voltage rail during power-up and remains there as long as power is applied.  The output snaps to the bad state at the point when the power rails have ramped up to approximately +/-3 Volts, a few hundred microseconds after power starts to turn On.  If they remove-and-replace the "bad" part then it normally permanently prevents the problem from occurring again.  The particular part that has this problem is the only one in our circuit that has zero impedance between the output and inverting input (it's in a Sallen-Key low pass filter).  Apparently the problem occurs when the overall situation causes the power rails to ramp up slightly more slowly than usual.  I found that I could fix the problem by inserting a 2K resistor in the feedback path.  That seems to limit current out of the inverting input and prevents the problem.

So my question is:  Is this behavior caused by current flowing through an incorrect internal path inside the TLE2027 when the power rails are rising slowly, and therefore causing an SCR to be formed that causes the output to latch?  The implication is that there is a maximum ramp time requirement on the power rails (or a minimum impedance in the feedback path) that are not documented in the datasheet.

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  • Chris

    We haven't heard back from you so we assume this answered your question. If not, post another reply below.

    Thanks
    Dennis
  • Hi Chris,

    yes, what you experienced is latch-up caused by an unlimited input current during power-on. Take care, the maximum input current of TLE2027 is only +/-1mA! You should limit the input current to this level, not only to prevent damage but also latch-up.

    Many similar OPAmps which are clamped at the inputs by the help of pn-junctions can often withstand somewhat higher input currents. The TLE2027 is a bit different because it has additional circuitry connected to the input clamps which can behave undesiredly it the input current isn't limited to under +/-1mA.

    Kai
  • Temporarily adding 1N4148 diodes (in place of zeners) from the two power rails to ground did not have any effect on a circuit that has the latching problem.

    The datasheet says that a resistor in the feedback path between the TLE2027 output and inverting input is needed to limit current if the differential input voltage is too large, due to the back-to-back diodes between the input pins.  But our circuit already has large resistance in the non-inverting input that should limit the current in the same way (approximately 150 KOhms).  Yet the circuit still latches up during power up.

    When I added 2 KOhms between the output and inverting input (it's in a voltage follower part of the circuit) then the latch-up problem stopped occurring.  So my conclusion is that during power-up current is flowing through some unintended path inside the part - flowing out of the inverting input and into the output - and the external 2K limits that current by enough to prevent the latch-up problem.

  • Hi Chris,

    you wrote that there's already a 150k resistance. But if there is additionally an uncharged cap arround the insane current can flow even though. Then only the added 2k resistance could fix the problem.

    Can you show us a schematic of the TLE2027 in question?

    Kai

  • Chris

    We haven't heard back from you soe we assume you were able to resolve your issue. If not, post another reply below.

    Thanks
    Dennis