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OPA818: OPA818

Part Number: OPA818
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA820, THS3201, TINA-TI

Hello,

I have another question relating to my circuit in TINA using the OPA818 in the previously attached file - OPA818test.tsc.

For some bizarre reason it will now not run an AC analysis - it just states, 'Only one input is allowed!'. Clearly there is only one input source and it did the plot previously, so what is wrong?

Also it will not perform a noise analysis for the same reason stated above!

But it will easily perform a Transient Analysis!

Could someone please assist?!

Thanks.

Best regards,

Peter

  • Hello,

    Also I have just found anomaly. The OPA818 was installed by myself because it wasn't in the Library. At least Transient works with this OPAMP but the first time I tried two of the Library models - OPA820 & THS3201 and TINA doesn't appear to recognize them!!

    This is what TINA states:-

    What is wrong with this software?

    Thanks.

    Best regards,

    Peter

  • Hi Peter,

    you have configured "Vin" as "input" allthough there is already an input source, "VG1". Remove "Vin", add again a "voltage pin" and name it "Vin" again, but don't change the "IO state".

    peter_opa818.TSC

    Or just remove "Vin" at all. There is no need for it:

    peter_opa818_1.TSC

    A last hint: Be careful when drawing "wires" in TINA-TI.

    Kai

  • Hi Peter again,

    I haven't understood what you mean by this statement:

    "At least Transient works with this OPAMP but the first time I tried two of the Library models - OPA820 & THS3201 and TINA doesn't appear to recognize them!!"

    My tipp is to always go to the product site of OPAmp and look for the "TINA-TI reference design", which you will find here for the OPA820, e.g.:

    This "TINA-TI reference design" nearly always contains the latest spice model. Start this "TINA-TI reference design" and pick the model from it. Copy and paste it into your simulation then.

    If you can only find a "PSpice Model" on the product site, on the other hand, like demonstrated here:

     

    import it into your TINA-TI simulation by the help the "New Macro Wizard..." instruction which you will find in "Tools" in the header of TINA-TI.

    Kai

  • Hi Kai,

    Thanks so much for your prompt response and answer!

    I have only very recently started using this sim and still finding my way around it.

    I can sort of see why there is a conflict but my understanding was that Vin is just a label. Now I see it can be configured as an 'Input' or 'none'.

    This just seems to generate confusion! If it is configured as an input what is it actually inputting? In other words if the program looks at it as similar to VG1 which is a source, what is it sourcing when configured as an 'Input'?!!

    My understanding is that Vin is required for TINA to look at the input, for graphical purposes, but it seems it isn't required - as you indicated 'there is no need for it'.

    Not being difficult but trying to understand the use of this 'Vin' label or whatever it is!

    Best regards,

    Peter

  • Hi Peter,

    working with a simulator like TINA-TI or LTSpice often turns into a trial and error approach. I cannot answer your question, it was just a wild guess that "Vin" might have been configured as an input...

    I like TINA-TI very much because you can do your job very quickly and with reasonable results. But sometimes it just behaves weird and doesn't tell the truth :-)

    Running a TI's TINA-TI reference design has the considerable advantage that TI has already confirmed that the simu works. Also, TI has often modified and optimized the "analysis parameters" which can be very helpful.

    Kai

  • Hi Kai,

    I tried to copy in the Error message from Tina but it didn't work! I will try again, also will type it here - Error - Invalid device: |. Line: - Macro Properties/Parameters. {OPA820}

    This is what you get when you try to use the Spice Library for the Opamps in Tina. I have tried this for more than one OPAMP with the same result - don't you think that is bizarre?

    Yes, I had to import the OPA818 using the Insert/Macro function in Tina because it was not in the Library and it worked but OPAMP parts from the Library don't appear to work!!?

    Yes, I might as well just go straight to TI and create my own or get it from the 'Reference Design...'

    Yes, it is really weird - I wonder if TINA has been fully tested for code errors?

    Anyway, that's OK, it is for free and I am just learning to get around these apparent inconsistencies!

    I guess I have been too spoiled using Microcap for years (only Ver. 4) but funny now even the latest versions of MC are free!

    So we can't complain!

    Thanks for your help.

    Best regards,

    Peter

  • Hi Peter,

    sometimes a new installation of TINA-TI can help. That's what some users have reported.

    Kai

  • Hello Peter,

    As Kai suggested, I would try to always download your parts from TI's product page and insert them into your schematic rather than use the spice library in Tina. This will guarantee that you are using the latest version of the part.

    Best,

    Hasan Babiker

  • Hi Kai,

    It is a new version with all the updates installed!

    But hey, it's free and we can get around the Library problems.

    It would be nice if TI would fix the problem but I'm sure they're aware of it.

    Anyway, thanks for all your input on this, much appreciated.

    Best regards,

    Peter

  • HI Hasan,

    Yes this is what I will do in future! I just expected the Library OPAMPs to work but there appears to be a fault somewhere in TINA or the models.

    Other simpler parts appear to work OK but definitely will be going direct to TI for OPAMPS for 100% confidence in the model!

    Thanks for your input.

    Best regards,

    Peter

  • Hi Peter,

    it seems that sometimes the installation doesn't work properly. Then it's a good idea to fully uninstall TINA-TI and to reinstall it from scratch again. This shall help as some posters have reported.

    Kai

  • Hi Kai,

    Yes I may even do that. What I have been doing is using the reference sims and modifying them - great idea!

    Thanks again for all your help.

    Best regards,

    Peter