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Issue with amplification and gain set resistors

Part Number: LMH5401
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: THS4513, LP2992

Hello amplifier experts,

we used the THS4513 op amp in our circuit to amplify a differential signal with approx. 40V/V. By now, we switched to the LMH5401 due to the better GBP and thought it would work the same way (beside the layout changes of course). The LMH5401 was simulated in LTSpice and Tina TI to check if it was capable of delivering a required gain of 40 V/V, cause the THS4313 does so. You can find the simulation results in the following:

As you can see, the LMH5401 fails to deliver the set gain of 40 V/V. The same result was achieved with smaller resistors (10 Ohms and 375+25 Ohms). Where does that come from?

Bigger resistors like Rg=2k and Rf=80k are a hard requierement because the op amp is used in a op amp integrator setting and the capacitor size of 47pF can not be changed.


The layout and schematic was designed almost the same way as in the LMH5401 EVM. We set up dual supply of +2.5V and -2.5V from two LDOs (TPS72325 & LP2992). The output load is 200 Ohms (internal resistors included; with a 50 Ohms terminated oscilloscope). The op amp is used as differential Input / Output.


The problem is, that if we set up a gain of 20 V/V, 40 V/V or even 100 V/V with the respective resistors, the measured gain at the output is way less than expected,as you can see in the table below. A lower gain of 2 V/V, 4 V/V and 10 V/V worked correctly (with a really little gain loss though).
First, we thought that the LMH5401 somehow is not able to achieve higher gains, but as stated in the datasheet Rev. D chapter 6.5 Electrical Characteristics, a gain of 32 V/V was used to test the GBP as well, so do we miss something important?
Our tests circuit uses the HM 8134-3 signal generator for creating a sine wave with 20mVpp. We tried to change the frequenzy from 100Hz to 10kHz but it did not matter at all.

Note: the measured / estimated gain at the osc. is 4 times less than the total gain due to the voltage divider at the output: 200 / 50



Do you have any suggestions? We double-checked almost anything by now. Please help us out!


Best regards,

Michael Bura

  • Hello Michael,

    It looks like you are measuring the output in your TINA simulation incorrectly. In the picture you provided, the meter is measuring the difference between the common-mode and OUTN, to measure the true differential output you will want to measure across both R9 & R10 as shown below:

    Best,

    Hasan Babiker

  • Hello Hasan,

    thanks for your suggestion. I changed the meter, but the result is still the same.
    The voltage across R9 and R10 is 722mV, which actually should be 800mV instead (40mV at the input, 40 V/V gain and voltage divider of 2). I don't know the internal circuit or how accurate the simulation model is, but this isn't how it should work, right?

    More importantly, our "real world" test circuit results don't even fit the simulation results for higher gains (see the table in my previous post).

    Any other suggestions are appriciated.

    Best,

    Michael Bura

  • Hello Michael,

    The LMH5401 isn't particularly suited for large gain setting resistors which you mentioned was hard requirement for your design. Note that the differential input resistance is only 4600-ohms. Note that all configurations in the datasheet are designed with 50-ohm matching in mind. Also if you notice in table 1 of the datasheet, the feedback resistance is what is increased when adjusting to a higher gain rather than Rg.

    Best,

    Hasan Babiker

  • Hello Hasan,

    thank you again. Your answer helped me a lot.

    Best,

    Michael Bura