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XTR117: Failing Surge Immunity test where TI's TIPD126 design passes.

Yash
Prodigy 115 points
Part Number: XTR117
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TIPD126

Hey,

I am using XTR117 in transmitter product by referring TI's CerTIfied design TIPD126.
We have used same component as shown in the TI's design but we were failing the surge immunity test. After the failing at 500V surge we tried using two SMBJ40CA (TVS diode) in parallel this helped us pass the 500V test but still we weren't able to pass the 1KV or 2KV test. The diode is failing short, protecting the XTR117 and rest of the circuitry. We are working with 24V DC input. We are using XTR117's internal voltage regulator to generate 5V and external LDO for the 3.3V rail.
We are not sure what is going wrong.

Our schematic 

TI's Schematic 

  • 0
    Guru 140200 points

    Hi Yash,

    the SMBJ40CA might be too weak to withstand Surge. Try the 1.5KE36A.

    Kai

  • 0 in reply to kai klaas69
    Prodigy 115 points

    Thank you for the suggestion. Can you help us with some resource to calculate the right wattage for the TVS diode?

    Also how SMBJ40CA worked in TI's testing.

  • 0 in reply to Yash
    TI__Mastermind 31488 points

    Hi Yash,

    Your schematic is a little different from the reference design so I will look into this. Is there any way you can send you PCB board layout with us to review as well? 

  • 0 in reply to Katlynne Jones
    Prodigy 115 points

    Katlynne Jones said:

    Hi Yash,

    Your schematic is a little different from the reference design so I will look into this. Is there any way you can send you PCB board layout with us to review as well? 

    Hey Katlynne,

    I can share the PCB layout files. Can you confirm the format you need it in? Also, where should I share it?

  • 0 in reply to Yash
    Guru 140200 points

    Hi Yash,

    these two documents explain a lot:

    6835.4_Transient_immunity_testing.pdf

    SA3-37.pdf

    Read them very carefully :-)

    Kai

  • 0 in reply to Yash
    TI__Mastermind 31488 points

    Hi Yash,

    Kai's recommendations for a higher rated TVS diode should help, but I can still take a look at your layout to see if we can figure out why the TIPD126 part selections did not work for you. You can share your Gerber files or a screenshot like this:

    You can share it here or send me a connect request in e2e so you can share them privately. 

  • 0 in reply to Katlynne Jones
    Prodigy 115 points

    Though I get the layout of the board is very different but I am not sure how that effects the surge protection test. And more importantly I find just doing a basic calculation on the selection of the TVS diode the SMBJ40CA doesn't quite makes sense. I have following issues.

    1. SMBJ40CA has a clamping voltage of 64.5V and XTR117 has absolute maximum rating of 50V, even after considering the meager 0.7V drop due to reverse protection diode the voltage is just too high for XTR117.

    2. According to IEC 61000-4-5 we the EUT is subjected to 1kV peak voltage with 42 Ohm (40 Ohm external + 2 Ohm power supply impedance) effective output impedance for non power line devices. Here we get a maximum peak current of 1000 V / 42 Ohm = 23.8 A where as the selected diode SMBJ40CA has a maximum peak current 9.3 A.

    I find this method of calculation in accordance to our test, as 500V were applied to single SMBJ40CA it didn't survive because 500V/42Ohm = 11.9A which is higher than diodes peak current but two diodes survived the 500V test as combined pair they had approximately double the current capacity of 18.6A.

  • 0 in reply to Yash
    Guru 140200 points

    Hi Yash,

    the clamping voltage you have mentioned is only valid for 10/1000µs Surge. For 8/20µs Surge the clamping voltage is considerably lower:

    smbj_1.pdf

    Also, the Surge test voltage is 500V, not 1kV:

    Kai