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PGA309: PGA309+XTR111

Part Number: PGA309
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: XTR117, XTR111, , XTR115

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Hi,

We work with the TI IC PGA309 in many projects. Basically, in one project where we convert the voltage output from the PGA to a 04-20mA, 2 wires output current (using the XTR117).

In order to calibrate our Load cells with these circuits in production we use the MultiCal System also provided by TI.

 Now we have another project where we need to use the PGA309+XTR111, that is also 04-20mA but only in one wire current output to ground. The fact is that I can calibrate with the PGA309EVM-USB but we need something more automated in production like MultiCal. The question is if it is possible to use the MultiCal System with these new project? Just in case, could you tell us how to connect all the wiring to calibrate our Load Cells accordingly?

 I am looking forward to hearing from you soon.

 

If you need any detail, schematic or clarification don’t hesitate to tell me.

Kind regards

 

  • Hello,

    On the post above you have mentioned, the PGA309-XTR111 "is also 4-20mA, but only one wire current output to ground"... Can you clarify the connections you are using: please share the PGA309-XTR111 test card module schematic and connectors, as well as a detailed diagram of the connections used on the module calibration when using the PGA309EVM-USB and the PGA309-XTR111 module.   Are you planning to power the PGA309-XTR111 3-wire current transmitter test card modules using the Multi-Cal system multiplexed supplies?

    As you have mentioned, Multi-Cal system supports the 2-wire current output transmitters, and measures the return current through the 4-20mA loop supply circuit.    

    Thank you and Regards,

    Luis

  • Hi,

    Many thanks for the additional information of the PGA309+XTR111 module schematic and connections to the PGA309EVM-USB.

    I went ahead and reviewed in detail the MULTI-CAL Master board Schematics that includes the loop supply multiplexer circuits and current measurement multiplexer circuits. The MULTI-CAL master board is not able to support 3-wire current transmitters.  The hardware would need to be modified to add a separate multiplexed Iout current measurement path and multiplexed loop power supply path (GND).  Both the software and hardware would need significant changes. On the MULTI-CAL system, the current loop transmitter measurement is performed on the positive loop supply side, which does not work for 3-wire current transmitters.

    Below is a more detailed explanation.

    PGA309EVM-USB Current Measurement (can be set up for either 2-wire or 3-wire current transmitters, voltage output 2-wire and 3-wire)

    On the PGA309EVM-USB, the transmitter current measurement is sensed on the Iout (XTR-loop-) connection of the board
    The USB-DAQ senses the current across the burn resistor on the negative connection of the loop supply (XTR-Loop-).
    Alternatively, since this is a single-site solution, the user can easily connect an external current meter on the (XTR-Loop-) connection and sense the current loop output on the negative supply connection.  This approach works well for both 2-wire or 3-wire current transmitters.
    When using the XTR111 (3-wire current transmitter) case, as long there are separate cables connecting the loop supply GND and IOUT, this approach works well as you have set up on your system…   

    Below is the USB-DAQ current sense measurement circuit (from Figure 16, p13 of the USB-DAQ Platform User Guide) on PGA309EVM_USB using USB–DAQ board; sensing the measurement on XTR_Loop- negative side (or IOUT):

    MULTI-CAL-SYSTEM Current Measurement (supports only 2-wire current transmitters, voltage output 2-wire and 3-wire)

    However, one key difference, on the MULTI-CAL system, the loop current is sensed on on the positive Vpos loop connection, using an external current meter. The external current meter is multiplexed to each test card site using the Vpos (XTR-loop+) supply connection (on the positive loop supply side).

    When using a 2-wire current transmitter, the total 2-wire XTR transmitter signal output current (Iout), includes the 2-wire current transmitter consumption, and this approach works well for 2-wire current transmitters such as the XTR115/6/7.

    Unfortunately, the MULTI-CAL hardware set up will not work for the XTR111 (3-wire current transmitter), where the +V loop supply current is not the same as the XTR111 current transmitter output (lout).  In other words, on the XTR111 case, the current output measured will be the desired transmitter current signal (4-20mA) plus an additional error: the 3-wire transmitter/sensor circuit current consumption producing an error…

    See below Figure 7, page 7 section of Multi-Cal-Master User's Guide; where the current signal is sensed on the Vpos (+) multiplexed loop supply connection.  This measurement is only accurate for 2-wire current transmitters

     

    Please let me know if you have additional questions, 

    Thank you and Kind Regards,

    Luis