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TAS5634: Lowest PWM frame rate?

Part Number: TAS5634
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPA3255, TAS5558, TAS5548, TAS5508C, TAS6584-Q1

The datasheet for the TAS5634 indicates that the minimum PWM frame rate for the device is 352Khz. It does not however describe anywhere what will happen if the PWM frame rate input to the IC is below this frequency. Does the TAS5634 have an internal oscillator that is PLL locked to the incoming PWM frame? What happens to the outputs of the TAS5634 if the PWM signal freezes? Are the limits on the PWM frame rate related in some way to bootstrap recharge. I am investigating driving the PWM inputs with a product other than the ICs suggested by TI. A better understanding of the processes involved with the TAS5634 would be helpful to ensure that a reliable system can be created and debugged.

All the best

Aidan

  • Hello Aidan,

    We recommend following the PWM frame rate limits in the Recommended Operating conditions as these are the specs defined by the designers and the conditions the device is validated for. In our datasheet we state that if the input PWM drops below the minimum frame rate the Stuck at Fault condition would occur.

    best regards,
    Luis

  • Hi Luis,

    Okay, I missed the 'stuck at fault' condition. The reason I ask is that I was throwing around some wild ideas about how to drive the PWM inputs of a TAS5634. I would like to use an IC with a higher PVDD rating, to achieve absolute maximum output power into 4ohm load. I always found it strange that this IC has higher voltage rating on its PVDD supply pins over the TPA3255. But having asked this question before I am assured that it is true. To this end I would need to drive PWM into the IC. However TI only seems to recommend using the multi-channel DSP oriented PWM modulators. I have no need for such complexity and instead just need a simple PWM modulator, for just a single channel. All the DSP work filtering and such will already be achieved elsewhere in the system. I am forced to consider a PWM modulator in this case simply to make use of the TAS5634. As I can not find such an simple PWM modulator from TI, I was.......wait for it, considering using a low power TPA Class D chip, and simply not bootstrapping the HI output. I'm fairly convinced that the propagation delays and dead time associated with this low cost approach could be worked around. However it is clearly far from ideal. The problem was that the low power TPA ICs do not run at the same switching frequencies as the TAS5634. In fact they fall outside the defined PWM frame rate range. So it looks like this is out of the question anyway.

    The truth is I am now genuinely having to start to look at another vendor. I can not achieve high enough output power levels at 4ohm from the TPA3255. It runs out of steam and would lead to high THD levels in combination. It is a shame as it is the last 10V's or so of PVDD span that causes these limitations. The TAS5634 can squeeze a little more out of the IC package and from experience I am convinced that I can manage the heat dissipation associated with this approach.

    In fact I would also like to experiment with using multiple TPA3255 or TAS5634 ICs in parallel. 'What on earth'? you may ask, but actually I have already successfully done this with another vendor's Class D IC (STmicro). This vendor also used a fixed frame rate. In this situation, I was successfully able to parallel the outputs of 2 ICs,  (After the LC filter), so space and cost is a consideration. Have TI actually tried this before. I think for a fixed frame rate architecture this will probably work and a common clock would only improve upon this?

    What I can say is that I have already experimented with the TPA3255 running very close to maximum PVDD voltages. It get hots! very hot. Hence the reason why I would like to experiment with parallel IC both running in PBTL mode. It's simply a matter of spreading the heat load and keeping THD under control to some extent. 

    All the above would apply also to the TAS5634 with a nudge better power performance. 

    As an adjunct, I have been wondering what TI are doing in the class D area. Many vendors are now upgrading and expanding the class D portfolio. The focus seems to be on compact and higher operating voltages and improved efficiency with lower RDS on. Having said this I am very pleased with TI's internal subsystem. They work well and have for the most part proved to be robust. 

    I simply need lower RDS on, higher operating voltages and IC packaging that allows me to dissipate the heat. I am desperately trying to avoid going towards a discrete class D solution as there are so many advantages to using ICs.

    What can TI say about this situation. Let us not forget Infineon are out to grab your customers, this is clear.

  • Hello Aidan,

    PWM modulator + PWM output stage Audio amplifier systems is a remnant from our legacy portfolio and given the trend toward one chip integrated solutions, the devices we have there such as the TAS5558, TAS5548,TAS5508C are the only offerings we have for PWM modulators and what we recommend in cases that customers are using the PWM output stage devices that are also not a focus area.

    We have had inquiries about using multiple PBTL devices used in parallel to drive a single load but this is an abnormal use case and would recommend customers investigate this on their side for their system conditions to evaluate performance and stability.

    TI has released many devices in the past several years in the 20-220W range, bulk of which are digital input devices and have had many innovations in the Automotive Audio space

    Currently for high power device we recommend the TPA3255(53.5V Supply range) which is a extremely popular high performance device or the TAS6584-Q1(45V Supply range) which is a 4 channel Digital input Amplifier with up to 10-A channel output current and many diagnostic/protection features. 

    Higher operating voltages are being investigated for roadmap devices but it is a niche market compared to the most popular devices for customers so these devices are what we offer today.

    best regards,
    Luis

  • Thanks Luis, 

    I think you have confirmed what I already thought. Seems I did not miss anything from your portfolio. I understand that probably I am directly sitting in the niche. I am developing pro-audio systems, and naturally high output power levels are always needed.

    Having said this, I would like to offer some further feedback: I have never understood why TI do not offer the driver stage from within the TPA / TAS systems and expose the gate drive directly (pre and post level shifter). This would potentially allow niche customers to raise the working voltage of the power stage and potentially even use GANFETs as well. 

    If I am not mistaken today the only offerings are fully integrated ICs, but the protection features etc within the controller part of the ICs, and CBC3 mode for example are undeniably useful. Other vendors have and still do offer these parts of their system as separate ICs. Why not TI? After all it will be hard to know exactly what your customers need as a final solution and for niche cases offering a combined analog IN PWM modulator with clock distribution options, built in feedback with exposed compensation, and all the protection features of the driver would be certainly something I would jump at, where it available.

    Just my 2 cents.

    All the best. Feel free to mark as resolved back to my experiments Slight smile

    Aidan

  • Hello Aidan,

    Thank you for the feedback, can relay your comments to our systems engineering and product definition team.

    best regards,
    Luis