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LMX2820: Interference with two PLL chips on one PCB

Part Number: LMX2820
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMX2594

Hello,

I have the following problem that occurs when I have two PLL chips on one PCB (4 layer, Rogers 4003). The two PLLs are controlled via a µC that writes all the registers to default settings. The µC first starts PLL1 and then PLL2. Both PLLs are running at 8.25 GHz and there is an LED for each PLLs'  lock detect output, that are both on (= PLL locked). Looking on a spectrum analyzer the RF output of the PLLs does not look very convincing (see the pictures below). When I switch the PSU of the PCB off and on again, the output may look different (like anyone of the pics below), but never stable.

The PLL chips are physically separated by a distance of roughly 50 mm and the isolation between the RF outputs is > 60 dB. When only one PLL is activated and the other one is deactivated (CE = 0) the problem does not occur. The two PLLs share a common 100 MHz reference oscillator.
The same problem also occured using the LMX2594 on a different board.

Dou you have any idea what could cause this issue and what could be done to avoid it?

Many thanks!

Joachim

  • Hi Joachim,

    If they output different frequencies, will the problem appear?

    If the problem only happen when both are active and operated at the same VCO frequency, then it is very likely that this is an interference problem. Individual shielding may be required to reduce the mutual interference. 

  • Hi Noel,

    thank you very much for the fast reply! I just checked with one PLL at 8.25 GHz and the other one at 6.05 GHz and I couldn't reproduce the effect that occured when both were set to the same frequency.

    Do you have any suggestions on how to do the shielding in the best way?

    Best regards
    Joachim

  • Hi Joachim,

    I see most of the customers use a metal shield box to shield the chip and its peripheral components.

  • Hi Noel,

    thank you for the information!

    In the meantime I could fix an error that I had in the loop filter of the PLL. The error in the filter lead to an overshoot in the phase noise, as shown in the figure below.


    Once I fixed the loop filter issue, the phase noise looked like this:

    I then checked again for the interference and I could not replicate the interference issue!

    I assume the issue is solved - if the interference shows up again, we will try the shielding method.

    Thank you and best regards
    Joachim