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Do you have a phase noise specification for the CDCUN1208LP?
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Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CDCUN1208LP, LMK00101
Do you have a phase noise specification for the CDCUN1208LP?
Hi Tom,
I can look for this information for you. Is there a specific frequency or offsets you're interested in?
Gabe
Do you mean you are interested in knowing the phase noise performance from 20 MHz to 6 GHz offsets?
Gabe
No, sorry. Not sure if you have a standard set of offset frequency ranges you plot against. Something like 10Hz to 4MHz offsets would be fine.
Hi Tom,
Here is typical data for the CDCUN1208LP with a clean 100 MHz reference. Input is from a clean 100 MHz differential oscillator and output 6 is measured via a balun.
| Offset | LVDS | HCSL |
| 100 Hz | -117.7 dB | -118.8 dB |
| 1 kHz | -127.7 dB | -127.9 dB |
| 10 kHz | -139.7 dB | -139.8 dB |
| 100 kHz | -150.0 dB | -150.2 dB |
| 1 MHz | -152.8 dB | -153.5 dB |
| 10 MHz | -155.4 dB | -156.4 dB |
| 20 MHz | -154.6 dB | -155.4 dB |
Gabe
Thanks for the phase noise data. Would TI be willing to measure the phase noise of the 100MHz oscillator (or forward the oscillator/crystal datasheet) that they are using alone so that we can extrapolate the added phase noise of the buffer? We would also be very interested in the phase noise at a lower frequency like 19.2MHz/20MHz, 30MHz, or 38.4MHz/40MHz. Is it possible to plot the data as in the standard datasheet format?
Hi Tom,
This data shows only the additive jitter only (I had extrapolated the PN for you). I'll provide the PN reference for you below however.
| Offset | Source PN | LVDS PN Meas. | HCSL PN Meas. | LVDS Extrap. | HCSL Extrap. |
| 100 Hz | -131.5 | -117.5 | -118.6 | -117.7 | -118.8 |
| 1 kHz | -148.1 | -127.6 | -127.9 | -127.7 | -127.9 |
| 10 kHz | -156.0 | -139.6 | -139.7 | -139.7 | -139.8 |
| 100 kHz | -165.2 | -149.9 | -150.0 | -150.0 | -150.2 |
| 1 MHz | -168.7 | -152.8 | -153.4 | -152.9 | -153.5 |
| 10 MHz | -172.1 | -155.3 | -156.2 | -155.4 | -156.4 |
| 20 MHz | -173.2 | -154.6 | -155.4 | -154.6 | -155.4 |
I can collect this data if you need - which signaling type would you like this data for?
Below are the associated PN plots for this typical measurement.
Fig 3) LVDS PN
Gabe
Thanks for the follow-up. Unfortunately this will severely limit our capabilities. We are looking for a buffer with 6-10dBc less than the source clock. The plots show this phase noise as greater than the source clock by a significant margin (~10dBc.) Does TI have better performing parts that I can look at?
I can give you recommendations based on your requirements (# of outputs, output format, etc)
Can you provide me with this info?
Gabe
Ideally I have a very specific configuration:
Input: select between two possible inputs
Input Clock 1: 38.4MHz input clock 1.8V single ended
Input Clock 2: 38.4MHz input clock 3.3V single ended (I can resistor divide this down to 1.8V)
Outputs: desire the ability to enable/disable outputs individually
~4x 38.4MHz output clocks 1.8V single ended
~4x 38.4MHz output clocks 3.3V single ended
Phase noise of around -160dBc above 10KHz, -140dBc or better at 1KHz and -120dBc or better at 100Hz.
Please let me know if you need additional parameters specified.
Hi Tom,
For full programability, I'd recommend the LMK04800 family of devices. You can run the device in distribution mode, bypassing the VCOs via OSCin and can configure the state of each output individually. However this only has one input in this mode.
The LMK00101 has two selectable inputs with good performance, but outputs can only be disabled together.
Gabe