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Low Jitter clock distribution

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CDCM61001, CDCM61004, CDCLVD1212, CDCL1810, CDCLVP1212, CDCLVP110, CDCLVC1110, CDCE62005, CDCLVD110A

Dears:

I need help on how to buffer/drive the output of one CDCM61001 source to 9 controllers.

they all use a 75mhz input clock with very low jitter specification.

Can you please recommend a buffer/driver IC.

all the controllers are on SAME pcb and distance to the last one is about 8 inches.

I could rearrange the components to make it 6 inches long.

I could use 2 CDCM61004; but Cost is the issue.

Thank you.

 

p.s.: the Ti's data sheet says: " A high-quality, low-jiddter differential clock source is required..., LVDS differenctial clock source, Jitter: less than 50 ps pk-pk, Duty cycle: 40 to 60%; rise/fall time: 700 ps.." Thanks

 

  • Hello Asad,

    the CDCM61001 + buffer IC will be a fine solution. You didn't indicate what signaling your inputs require. Is it LVDS, CML, LVPECL, or single-ended?

    If it's LVDS, you could use the CDCMVD110: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdclvd110a.html

    TI is also about to release the CDCLVD1212: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdclvd1212.html.

    For CML, the best choice would be the CDCL1810: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdcl1810.html. If you AC couple the output, this device can probably drive any other input stage as well.

    For PECL, you would want to use the CDCLVP1212: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdclvp1212.html or the CDCLVP110: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdclvp110.html

     

    If you need these 9 clock signals single ended, you could use a single ended buffer such as the CDCLVC1110: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdclvc1110.html

    Another alternative that leaves you with a single device solution for single ended clock signaling would be to replace the CDCM61001 with the CDCE62005: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cdce62005.html

    The CDCE62005 allows you to configure any of it's 5 differential outputs to also operate single-ended, which gives you practically 10 LVCMOS outputs.

    Best regards, Fritz

     

  • thaks for the detailed response:

    as i mentioned the current SATA controller from TI's spec section says:

    p.s.: the Ti's data sheet says: " A high-quality, low-jiddter differential clock source is required..., LVDS differenctial clock source, Jitter: less than 50 ps pk-pk, Duty cycle: 40 to 60%; rise/fall time: 700 ps.." Thanks

    so the Source = Crystal;

    outputs = LVDS.

    the controllers are like this:         X            X             X .... (7 inch the travel distance of the clock signal).

    the reference design is using CDCM61001 for one Sata controller.

    I needs SAME clock speed for 9 of them.

    So like using CDMC61001 for source + cdclvd110a for individual port buffering.

    The question is: is the 7 inch distance from cdclvd110's output to the Controller's input OK?

    I have been reading 10s of TI's clock data sheets and have not been able to answer it. however just looking at the image of the cdcm61004's evaluation board; looks like the clock signals are routed about 3 to 4 inches on each line.

    so I could do same/similar. but is the 4 inch distance ok? the PCB is 6 layers and I can run ground under the signal bus if necessary.

    thank you very much

     

  • Hello Asad,

    the distance of 7-inch should be absolutely no problem for an LVDS output driver. We use similar signaling for much greater distances. For example, the signal feeding the LCD monitor inside a PC is LVDS, and as you can imagine, does not only go across pcb but also fpc cabling. For data transmission & depending on the actual data/clock rate, LVDS signals can drive multiple meters of cable. I was trying to look at the A17x, and AM18x data sheet to find out details about the clock input requirements but my internet access has some issues right now and my computer freezes when I try to download a large document. What's the exact clock frequency you need to get out of the device? I suspect sub 200MHz, right?

    For best jitter performance, you want to minimize any reduction of the clock signal rise- and fall time due to impedance missmatch (e.g. vias, trace width changes, GND reference layer crossings, etc). You basically need to do the best possible differential layout. Route these signals early on and mark them in your schematic as 100-Ohm differential transmission lines with matched intra-pair length. This means the trace length between the p and the n signal must match each other within a few mil. Avoid 90 degree turns. If you look at the CDC61001 EVM you can see how we layout traces. I understand you probably want to bring the traces into an inner layer of the pcb - that's ok. Just ensure you keep the 100Ω differential (e.g. loose coupling with 50Ω impedance of each tansmission line). Depending on your actual system you probably have the same routing restrictions for several other signals.

     

    Also, please avoid any noisy signals (signals with either high edge rates and/or large amplitudes) to run in parallel nearby the clock lines to avoid any noise from coupling into your lines and causing additional jitter.

    Overall this design portion using LVDS signals to drive different SATA buffers should not cause you problems.

     

    Good luck with your design! Fritz

  • Fritz; Thank you for your efforts.

    I have read your answer several times over!.

    I will try to do as you said.

    Hopefully it will come out as a good, working project.

    thanks again.

     

  • Hi Asad, you are welcome. If pcb layout with differential signals is a less familiar topic to you, you might enjoy looking over the following file (despite the document discussing DisplayPort technology, which is another standard utilizing differential signaling for data in computer systems).

     

    0552.Texas Instruments DisplayPort Design Guide.pdf