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High-speed counter/divider

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CDCM61001, CDCL1810, CDCE62005

Greetings, all.

I am designing a particular piece of training/test equipment that was originally specified to handle a signal at 10 Mhz, divided by 10 so we are sampling only 1 in 10 data to display (1 MHz). Display is an X-Y type, with magnitude on the y-axis and the x-value is simply clocking along the x-axis (and loops back.  The operator makes keypad entries defined by where the data are indicated (LED lights up in appropriate quadrant).  Responses are stored by microcontroller, and reports of percentage correct, etc. are produced.

And, 2 weeks ago, the specs change. We are still only sampling at 1 MHz (or below), but the input data now may be as fast as 100 MHz.  (I am still waiting for the call when the client says "Here, I am sending another $10,000 and extending your deadline 3 weeks so you can really have time to vet the prototype thoroughly before we see it." (Which we do anyway.))

Sorry, back to the problem at hand. The simplest way that I can think to do this without resorting to an ECL divider is to find a TTL counter that can handle an incoming data stream at 100MHz, divide by 10, and output a 10 MHz signal, and feed that into the existing circuitry. There may be other ways to do it (I have considered multiplexing x 10 and only send 1 output to the existing circuitry. But finding a multiplexor with the relevant specs has not been easy, either.

If I go the counter/divider route, this encapsules what I am looking for:

decade counter/divider that is:
      -synchronous
      -can handle Freq(in,max)=100MHz
      -clocks on positive edge
      -a reasonable way to get the value of the data stream out every 10 counts (hi-speed A/D?, 9x-ring counter started with a 1 with an OR to the data value?(Frankly, I do not think we could find a walking ring counterthat could be pushed that fast))

and finally, a tight, jitter-free 100MHz clock to time the chip with.  At 10 MHz the was simply a buffered TCXO.  Do such devices exist at 100MHz, or do I get out my PLL book?

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.  I have been through TI's counter list (about 2/3's of it) and found 2 counters that will run at the necessary speed, but lacked any of the other points. And each "look" requires opening the datasheet and hunting out the details, because in thespec matrix, not even the freq(max) is listed. So that is a time consumer for sure!

Regards to all,

Tom Bellows

  • Hello Tom,

    I am not sure I fully comprehend your requirements (it's late here) but let me make a few comments:

    1. If you need to generate a 100MHz clock, you could consider using a CDCM61001 with an external 25MHz XTAL or drive it from the TCXO if you need a very tight ppm stability over temperature.

    2. Concerning a divide-by-10 counter, I would suggest looking at the CDCL1810 (CML outputs) or if you need CMOS outputs, use the CDCE62005 in PLL bypass mode.

     

    Hope this helps, Best regards!

    Fritz

     

  • Or maybe a small CPLD or FPGA might help too, if there are going to be future changes in the specs again.

    You can implement a custom ckt, use its internal PLL etc. But FPGAs tend to have a large jitter, so if thats going to be a problem then I suggest you stick to Clock synthesizers which have low jitter clock outputs.

    Regards,

    Sid

  • My thanks to both of you to have taken the time to recommend such excellent solutions. This project got back-burnered when I went through a 9-month case of some sort of illness, which I do not recommend to any engineer with a deadline.

    Yesterday I was looking through TI's offerings for counters, and found an 8 bit counter with 6 fanout ! -- a bit of help in my particular case) that runs at a maximum Fo of 125 MHz.  I liked this one (there were several) because it was synchronous. It is only an 8 bit counter, and as the screen is 60 bits wide, I will end up with a bit of a crowded set of axes. But I think it will work.

    By the was, does anybody happen to know an outlet or current house that is still manufacturing ECL. I have a moble, GHz transceiver on the horizon, and will have to find some pretty fast stuff.  Possibly the microwave radio houses will have what I need.

    My thanks again

    Tom Bellows