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LMX2820: LMX2820 SROUT Frequency Range

Part Number: LMX2820

Hi,

What is the frequency range SYSREFOUT for JESD204B.

Regards

Sai Kiran S

  • Hello Sai,

    Please refer to Datasheet Figure 7-4: SYSREF Functional Diagram.

    The f_INTERPOLATOR should be either 800MHz to 1600MHz or 500MHz to 1500MHz, this will be coming from the device itself not external, therefore the SYSREF will be less than or equal to 187.5MHz.

    However, if SRREQ input is passed through, the re-clocking circuit operates at 400 to 800MHz or 250 to 750MHz.

    I will clarify this later.

  • Hi Aaron,

    Thanks for the replay.

    My requirement is to generate clock of 32 MHz from SYSREF.

    OSCIN input is 100 MHz. Will LMX2820 work for this config. I Can verify in TICS pro regarding this configuration but I need confirmation.

    Kindly clarify.

    Regards

    Sai Kiran S

  • Hi Aaron,

    Do you have phase noise plot for the SYSREF. I have obtained the Phase noise plot for RFOUT and it is matching my requirement.

    I want to use to use this 32 MHz SYSREF as normal clock. Request to share the report if any characterization done so that I can check my requirement.

    Regards

    Sai Kiran S

  • Hi Sai Kiran,

    Can you please let me know the VCO frequency you plan to use? I can take the plot of the 32MHz SYSREF clock, but I need to know how the SYSREF is to be configured for your use case.

    Regards,

  • Hi Derek,

    VCO would be 8882.4 MHz. RFOUTA is configured as 4441.2 MHz and SROUT as 32.655 MHz.

    What is the differential and common mode level for SYSREF clock. Is there any recommended termination scheme in interfacing this signal.

    Regards,

    Sai Kiran S

  • Hello Sai,

    It isn't possible to reliably generate 32.665MHz SYSREF frequency through the dividers on the LMX2820 when the VCO is set to 8884.2MHz. Refer to the diagram below:

    In order to get 32.665MHz from 8884.2MHz, you must divide by 272. Additionally, the SYSREF_DIV_PRE output frequency (the interpolator frequency) must be between 800MHz and 1600MHz. This is only possible by setting SYSREF_DIV_PRE to divide-by-8. 272 / 8 = 34. Additionally there is a divide-by-2 block after the SYSREF_DIV, so the remaining SYSREF_DIV must be 17; this is not possible, since the SYSREF_DIV only includes even divides. If you try to use SYSREF_DIV_PRE with divide-by-4, the programmable delay steps will likely become nonlinear and will no longer work.

    In practice, it is possible to get 32.665MHz by ignoring the limits on the interpolator frequency and setting the SYSREF_PRE_DIV to 4:

    The output performance of the SYSREF clock will be degraded compared to the device clocks. Otherwise, the output format, common mode, and other behavioral characteristics are the same as the RF output buffers. Into high-impedance I measure around 2V common mode voltage, with a low of 1V and a high of 3V, at each pin. Expect the amplitude to be reduced by about half when driving a 50Ω load.

    Regards,

  • Hi Derek,

    I appreciate your effort and time spent for sending me this phase noise plot. Thank you very much. The phase noise matches my requirement.

    I may not require exactly the clock 32.665 MHz, my SYSREF clock will be in the range of 32MHz to 32.700 MHz.

    Why and how the performance of the SYSREF clock will be degraded compared to the device clocks. I want to use this pure clock for continuous sampling the analog signal through ADC.

    Is it recommended ?.

    Request you to share the differential voltage swing of the SYSREFclock.( VODIFF max and VODIFF min).

    Regards

    Sai Kiran S

  • Sai Kiran,

    Compare the phase noise plot below, taken from the channel divider maximum divide at an arbitrary VCO frequency, vs. the SYSREF output phase noise data in the previous post. There is around 10dB worse performance at the SYSREF noise floor, and the RF output is 1.5x higher frequency.

    I don't have any data on the SYSREF VODIFF min/max, because as far as I can tell this has not been characterized. Based on the previous post phase noise plot, it looks like just under 10dBm output power differential into 100Ω load (measured through a 2:1 impedance balun into 50Ω single-ended), which is just under 2Vpp VOD.

    Regards,