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LMX2820EVM: there are in band spur, when LMX2820 is working under interger mode, why? how to eliminate it?

Part Number: LMX2820EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMX2820, , USB2ANY

Problem Description

In our application of LMX2820 evaluation board, we found a series of spurious signals that are very close to the dominant frequency (see Figure.1, Figure.2)

Figure.1 7.4GHz output frequency, with 370MHz as reference input and N=20.

 

Figure.2 7.5GHZ output frequency, with 375MHZ as reference input and N=20.

In the figures above, when span is set to 200kHz and Res BW is set to below 100Hz, there are obvious spurious signals which should not be considered as phase noise (But in Noise spectrum mode they may seem like noise jitter) near the dominant frequency.

To find why the problem appears, we hold two spectrum traces of different output frequency in the same window (see Figure.3).

Figure.3 yellow trace is 7GHz and blue trace is 7.02GHz.

  We can find that the frequencies and amplitudes of the spurious signals are approximate equal between the two traces so that we consider to change the input reference source from the signal generator —— KEYSIGHT N5183B. (see Figure.4).

Figure.4 the same output frequencies with N5183B.

Apparently, the situation is not changed so that we can take no account of the influence of the input reference source.

Then we consider the influence of power source so we replace IT6302 with IT6322 and other power source. (see Figure.6). The Figure.5 is configuration in the software.

Figure.5 Parameter configuration.

Figure.6 different power source with same frequency

The traces also overlap though the power source is replaced with some other power supply.

In summary, we can generally deem that the problem may be caused by LMX2820 evaluation board, or due to our lab’s reason, can’t provide more ideal testing condtion.

 

I wander, if the in band spur is caused due to the LMX2820 chip itself or our own reason? Can you repeat a trial in your own lab, such as, input a 350MHz or 100MHz signal as reference, and lock to any integer output frequency, then help to check if there are in band spurs, thanks.

  • the figure 3 is wrong, there is the right one.

  • Chad,

    Can you please save and upload a .tcs file that contains your frequency information so we can replicate the register settings that aren't documented in your screenshot? File -> save

    Regards,

    Derek Payne

  • 7000MHz.tcs7020MHz.tcs7400MHz.tcs7500MHz.tcs

    Here are the tcs file for each setting. 

  • Chad,

    I reviewed the configurations, and I didn't see anything that looks like it would cause the kind of spurs you're seeing. I don't see any significant difference from power supplies, but I do see a significant difference depending on reference frequency and signal generator choice - several spurs have moved, and others are altogether gone, switching between reference sources. Tomorrow I will get a chance to borrow a high-quality signal generator, and we can determine if the spurious contribution appears on my own setup.

    Regards,

    Derek Payne

  • thanks for your reply, and waiting for your experiment result. 

    the fact is that we will design a low spur signal generator, currently, through the LMX2820EVM board testing result, we can't identify if the spur, coming from our lab environment or due to the LMX2820 chip itself or just the wrong software setting.

  • Chad,

    I had an opportunity to test on a high-quality SMA100B and I do not see anything like what you are seeing, even knocking down the resolution bandwidth to try and get the best floor possible.

    I am using the EVM unmodified with default loop filter values. I don't see any spurs like what your plots show, for any of the four configurations.

    To drive the point home, I also have a phase noise plot to the same span (at 7GHz, I can't go higher on this PNA):

    A few small spurs close-in, and a few ~110dBc/Hz in the 500-700kHz range, but otherwise nothing that resembles the spurs on your plot. This suggests to me that either there is something going on with your reference introducing the spurs, or else you have another noise source mixing into your device (is USB2ANY connected?)

    What loop filter values are you using?

    Regards,

    Derek Payne

  • The USB2ANY is always connected when we testing the LMX2820EVM board. 

    It looks like that my own testing environment has something weird spur, impacting the LMX2820, and I will double-check my lab environment.