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TPD12S016:Does the operating free-air temperature only note the ambient temperature?

Part Number: TPD12S016
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPD3S713-Q1

Hello,

We wanted to shorten the HDMI signal trace. As a result it was successful, but the CPU and TPD12S016 were located closer together.

When considering the maximum operating temperature of our product, at the TPD12S016 location, the PCB can exceed above 85°C due to the heat generated by the CPU. However, the ambient temperature does not exceed 85°C. Is this acceptable? Free-air temperature is within your specifications.

Or do you have products that can cope with higher temperatures?

Best Regards,

Yukio Oyama

  • Hi Oyama-san,

    Thank you for reaching out us.

    I guess the most important is what is your Tj now, for TA lower than 85℃ is ok, and your PCB board temperature is higher than 85 ℃ is ok, only if your Tj is lower than 125 ℃(I can not find the real Tj max in our datasheet, only find the max storage temperature is 150℃, so I guess the max TJ should be about 125℃ ).

    You can use your dissipation power and below thermal resistance to calculate the Tj, if this lower than 125℃, it should be ok.Thank you.

    Best Regards,

    Kuno

  • Hello Kuno-san,

    Your answer that it is important to be below the junction temperature helps me.

    Can you publish the junction temperature of this device to me?  As the TPD12S016 has few power-consuming parts, the junction will never reach 125°C in our operating environment. However, evidence of junction temperatures strengthens the assurance in my design.

    And according to Datasheet 6.5 Electrical Characteristics, the thermal shutdown trip point is 140°C, so the junction temperature limit may be 150°C.

    Best Regards,

    Yukio Oyama

  • Hi Oyama-san,

    I find the 140℃ will turn off the device, so the Tj should be about 125℃, it means that as long as the working Tj is less than 125℃, there is no any risk. So for you application, I guess there is no any risk too. Thank you.

    Best Regards,

    Kuno

  • Hello Kuno-san,

    It is considered safe as Tj = 125°C is never exceeded in my application.

    This is out of line with the question for this product, but I had assumed that thermal shutdown would be triggered at temperatures lower than Tj. However, according to your description, the thermal shutdown is at a temperature higher than Tj.

    Can you tell me on what idea the thermal shutdown temperature is set higher than Tj? I was thinking that the temperature at which thermal shutdown is triggered has to be lower than Tj to cause damage to the chip

    Best Regards,

    Yukio Oyama

  • Hi Oyama-san,

    Sorry to make you confused, what I mean the Tj=125℃ is mean that the 'Recommended Operating Conditions', and 'Operating junction temperature', and the 150 ℃ is ‘Absolute Maximum Ratings’, and 'Storage temperature', just like the TPD3S713-Q1 shows, because the TPD12S016 is too old, and it don't have the Tj in its datasheet, so we have to guess its Tj is 125℃ based on its Tstg is 150℃. Thank you.

    Anyway, there is low risk in your application, thank you.

    Best Regards,

    Kuno

  • Hello Kuno,

    Well, I have understood that there are two types of junction temperatures to consider: recommended operating conditions and absolute maximum ratings. And that the maximum temperature of the storage is likely to be tied to the absolute maximum rating of Tj, so the device triggers a thermal shutdown to avoid exceeding it?

    Best Regards,

    Oyama Yukio

  • HIi Oyama,

    Yes, I guess so.

    Best Regards,

    Kuno