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DP83869HM: Using DP83869HM for "EtherCAT (100Mbit/s)"

Part Number: DP83869HM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DP83826AI, DP83826I, AM2432

Tool/software:

Is it recommended to use DP83869HM for "EtherCAT (100Mbit/s)"?

In EVMs for AM64x and AM243x, the DP83869HM is used. However, since they also need to support "standard Ethernet (1,000 Mbit/s)", the design allows switching the connection to the same PHYs (two DP83869HM) using RGMII for "standard Ethernet (1,000 Mbit/s)" and MII for "industrial Ethernet (100 Mbit/s)".

The DP83869HM is listed for "EtherCAT G (1,000 Mbit/s)" but NOT for "EtherCAT (100 Mbit/s)" in Beckhoff's PHY selection guide.

On the other hand, DP83826 is listed for "EtherCAT (100 Mbit/s)" in Beckhoff's PHY selection guide.

download.beckhoff.com/.../an_phy_selection_guidev3.1.pdf

In addition, the DP83826 provides an application note for "EtherCAT (100 Mbit/s)".

www.ti.com/.../snla344c.pdf

Is it recommended to use DP83826 instead of DP83869HM for "EtherCAT (100 Mbit/s)"?

Best regards,

Daisuke

  • Daisuke-san

    For EtherCAT (100Mbit/s), the PHY has to provide an MII (or RMII/RGMII1) interface. MII is the preferred method due to its lower latency. But configuring the DP83869HM into MII is a little tricky, please reference Section 1.9 MII-to-Copper in Understanding Different Modes of Operation in DP83869. The main point of that section is that Register access is required to set up MII in the DP83869HM. Register 0x01DF must be set to 0x0060. Please read the section for more details. But Beckhoff requires that the PHY configuration must not rely on configuration via the MII management interface, i.e., required features must be enabled after power-on3, e.g., by default or by strapping options.

    So for EtherCat (100Mbit/s), please use DP83826A, which was just released. It can support EtherCat(100Mbit/s) through the strapping options.

    Thanks

    David

  • Hi David-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    What is the difference between DP83826Ax and DP83826x?

    The differences between them are discussed in the thread below, but there are no major differences.

    e2e.ti.com/.../dp83826i-dp83826a-vs-dp83826

    There is no difference between them in terms of web pricing.

    So the DP83826Ax appears to be a minor revision of the DP83826x.

    The specifications of DP83826 for EtherCAT are described as follows in Beckhoff's PHY Selection Guide.

    https://download.beckhoff.com/download/document/io/ethercat-development-products/an_phy_selection_guidev3.1.pdf

    Do these specifications also apply to the DP83826Ax?

    Our customer has continued to use Microchip's KSZ8081 on their previous custom boards.

    Does the DP83826Ax have any advantages over the KSZ8081?

    Best regards,

    Daisuke

  • Daisuke-san

    Shane's response in the e2e thread you found summarizes the difference between the DP83826 and DP83826A and I quote below

    DP83826AI has improved EMC performance over DP83826I.

    • DP83826A has ESD performance rated for Class A requirements at 8kV.
      • DP83826I supports 8kV ESD testing but does not meet Class A standards 
    • DP83826A adds an additional strap on RX_CLK to better configure the device for preventing link drop.
      • This gives more options for the FLD mechanisms that will cause the PHY to drop a link. 

    So if you need to meet the IEC +/-8kV Class A requirement, then I would use DP83826A.Otherwise you can stay with DP83826.

    DP83826A is also included in the Beckhoff PHY selection guide.

    The DP83826/A has the lowest and most deterministic latency of all Ethernet PHYs and it also provides longer cable reach of 150m. Is there a specific feature the customer is looking for in DP83826/A?

    For rollover from KSZ8081 to DP83826, please see this app note.

    Thanks

    David

  • Hi David-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Our customer's top priority for their new design is cost reduction, and since KSZ8081 meets their requirements, they plan to use it for the new design as well. Therefore, replacing it with DP83826 will be difficult unless it offers a price advantage.

    Best regards,

    Daisuke

  • Daisuke-san

    Are you ok if I loop in my product marketing engineer with you in a direct email regarding the DP83826 pricing?

    Thanks

    David

  • Hi David-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes. We would be very grateful for your cooperation.

    Our sales person is going to submit a special price request for DP83826/A through our local TI.

    Also, the estimated mass production quantity our customer is planning this time (a combination of AM2432 and two PHYs) is around 5K. In the future, there is a possibility that they may expand to their other products as well.

    Best regards,

    Daisuke

  • Daisuke-san

    Thank you, we will work with you through our local TI office on the DP83826A pricing.

    David