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TPS2546: why TPS2546 will have D+/D- at 3.25V and results system drain 2.9A when connecting to Mac pro

Part Number: TPS2546
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS2549

customer design power banks for OEMs

the DCP setting auto as:

CTL1=0

CTL2=1

CTL3=1

ILIM_SEL=1

Mode = DCP auto (DCP load present)

its observed that when connecting to a Macbook pro13 with function keys (A1708) 2016 model

the TPS2546 will have the D+ and D- at 3.25V resulting bigger current drawn and triggers OCP

can we check with the development team, is this a special feature to support 3.25V at D+D-?

at what conditions it will have this mode?

Thanks 

  • Hi John,

    The D+ and D- lines should not be 3.25V.
    Does this condition occur initially when the Macbook pro is connected to the port or after the connection has been made?
    How much current is sourced?
    Is it possible to get oscope pictures of this event?

    Regards,
    Donovan
  • appreciate the response Donovan,

    Customer mentioned they are using the TPS2546 EVM board with Mac Book Pro13 and the issue can be duplciated.

    I will capture the scope traces at customer site tomorrow, on TPS2546.

    is there scope trace from particular pin that must include in the capture?

    Thanks very much for the help

  • Hi John,

    Probe the D+, D-, VBUS, and current. Check the fault pin as well to see if it is tripping (I'm assuming yes). Capture when the Mac Book Pro13 is connected so we can see what exactly is occurring on the D+ and D- lines.

    Regards,

    Donovan

  • Hi John,

    It could also have to do with the Type-A to Type-C converting dongle. There's a Type-A to Type-C conversion to connect to the MacBook for charging correct? If so it would be good to probe the CC lines on the Type-C side.

    Regards,
    Donovan
  • Hi Donovan,

    Thanks for the instructions.

    please kindly find the attached document for the test setup and oscillosccpe capture.

    kindly let us know of your observations.

    appreciate your support

    please find the word document in the attachment

    TPS2546_MACPRO_ISSUE.docx

  • Hi John,

    What is used to do the Type-A to Type-C conversion?

    Regards,
    Donovan
  • USB A to USB C Cable(Only connected VBUS/D+/D-/GND) other pin is floating.

  • Hi Donovan,

    is there further comments on the TPS2546 EVM overcurrent behavior?

    we further tried using the TPS2549 EVM with the MAC PRO

    the TPS2549 EVM doesn't have this problem, although the D+/D- still jumps to around 3.3V but the current output is around 1.6A

    please help on checking the issue on TPS2546, and can you also let us know if customer would like to switch their deisgn from TPS254 to TPS2549

    is there design changes that they need to make? ( anything they need to watch for? or just direct replacement?)

    TPS2549 EVM Waveform

    CH2 D-

    Ch3 D+

    CH1 VBUS

    CH4 current

     

  • Hi John,

    I just got back from my team member in Shenzhen who has a MacBook Pro they use to test with a TPS2546EVM.  They see the same issue occurring with the D+ and D- voltages going to 3.2V.  The TPS2546 seems to be entering 1.2V mode which is incorrect as Apple devices do not do 1.2V mode.  This probably has to do with the MacBook Pro using USB Type-C Power Delivery which devices such as older Iphones and Ipads do not use (they use divider modes 1 and 2).  

    My team member also probed the D+ and D- lines when the MacBook Pro is plugged into it's standard power supply via Type-C and see the image below which could explain what is happening.

    As you can see both D+ and D- get pulled up to about 3.2V.  It looks like the MacBook Pro port is trying to do USB Type-C Power Delivery.  The TPS2546 only does USB BC1.2 and divider modes which the Mac Book Pro does not seem to be recognizing and thus we are seeing a non-typical voltage on the D+ and D- lines. 

    It's interesting that the MacBook Pro draws less current when connected to a TPS2549.  This may have to do with the TPS2549 having the newer Divider Mode 3 which puts 2.7V on both the D+ and D- lines.  However, the voltage is still at 3.3V on the D+ and D- lines which is unexpected behavior.  The main differences between the TPS2549 and TPS2546 is the divider modes (TPS2549 does Divider mode 3 only which takes care of all Apple devices), cable compensation (TPS2549 supports this, TPS2546 does not), and continuous current limit (3A for TPS2549, 2.7A for TPS2546).

    What is the application for this design?  This is the first time we have had a MacBook Pro connected to one of these EVMs.  This family of devices TPS254* were designed for phones and tablets before laptops used USB Type-C PD to charge. 

    Regards,

    Donovan   

  • Appreciate the Feedback Donovan~

    This application is power bank

  • Hi Donovan,

    Customer find it strange why TPS2546 has this issue while TPS2549 has current limit

    is there any work around for TPS2546 ???

    or they will highlight to the OEM on the TPS2546 part

    thanks

  • Hi John,

    I will follow up with you via email.

    Regards,
    Donovan