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PCA9518: clock input

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Part Number: PCA9518

Hello E2E,

I have two questions. Please see the attached file.

1;
When during rise up the Vcc, if there is clock input to SCL0, is this device can't operating for normally?

2;
If input clock does not conform to the I2C standard (CLK_Low less than 0.5usec), is this device can't operating for normally?

Regards,
ACGUY

4456.SCL Low input less than I2C spec.pdf

  • Hello,

    Today is a holiday in the US, but we will try to get back to you tomorrow on this.

    Max
  • Hey ACGUY,

    Do you have a schematic of the PCA9518? I am particularly interested in the Vcc pin and if it has capacitors on it.

    I believe the issue you are seeing is due to a POR (power on reset) not being properly implemented. We have seen in some of our older PCA devices which are sensitive to the ramp rates on Vcc. We typically recommend faster ramp rates on Vcc (below 10ms) in order for the device to reset properly.

    Q1. How repeatable is this issue?

    Q2. Is this issue seen at room temperature or does it occur during some type of temperature testing?

    Q3. If you have capacitors on the Vcc pin, does removing them fix this issue?

    Thanks,

    -Bobby

  • Hi Bobby,

    Thank you for your reply.

    >> Do you have a schematic of the PCA9518?
    -> Yes, I obtained it already. However, I don't get permission to upload it to E2E.

    >> We typically recommend faster ramp rates on Vcc (below 10ms) in order for the device to reset properly.
    -> Currently, Vcc ramp up time is about 6-msec. I think that it is no cause.


    Q1. How repeatable is this issue?
    A1. Yes, However, the occurrence frequency is low.

    Q2. Is this issue seen at room temperature or does it occur during some type of temperature testing?
    A2. Occur condition at near 0℃.

    Q3. If you have capacitors on the Vcc pin, does removing them fix this issue?
    A3. We didn't try it. We attached capacitors between EN to GND, I confirmed that this symptom will be resolved.

    .
    The number of occurrences is 2/1k. End product is semiconductor manufacturing equipment. Symptoms occurred while the final product was in operation.
    I don't think that it is device issue. If there is accurate input, device operate correctly.

    Short low clock time less than I2C spec will cause malfunction?
    Or,
    When during rise up the Vcc, if there is clock input to SCL0, is this device can't operating for normally?

    Regards,
    ACGUY
  • Hey ACGUY,

    "Yes, I obtained it already. However, I don't get permission to upload it to E2E."
    -duynguyen@ti.com

    "A3. We didn't try it. We attached capacitors between EN to GND, I confirmed that this symptom will be resolved."
    -I actually want to do the opposite here, if you put a large capacitor (like 1uF or so) and then try to turn on the device, can you make the problem happen more frequently? If so this may indicate this is related to the ramp rate on Vcc.

    "Short low clock time less than I2C spec will cause malfunction?When during rise up the Vcc, if there is clock input to SCL0, is this device can't operating for normally?"
    -From the scopeshots you've provided it seems like those lows we saw were part of the device's start up. I don't think this is the issue but I am not 100% sure here.

    Thanks,
    -Bobby
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