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TM4C1294KCPDT: High potentials Rs ANIx impedance

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Part Number: TM4C1294KCPDT
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA240

SAR ADC seminar documents and other TI sources attempt to illustrate all analog voltage potentials have no direct impact on MCU relative to Rs source impedance.

Yet when the ANix input is subjected to high potentials or voltages being monitored via resistive dividers or sensors near such potentials the MCU may be subjected to line transients. Given those conditions It would seem the higher Rs impedance a better choice? Seemingly ANIx input impedance exceeding 1.5 megohm provides a certain signal isolation from high potentials and transient sources. Seemingly the rule of thumb for most analog circuit designs around high potentials especially in TV circuits where so many different frequency may converge or impact the signal.

Would not lowering Rs impedance below 500 ohms then subject the SAR ADC to even greater potentials or transients even when TVS diodes and other EMI filtering protect the ANix input? Why is there no discussion on this topic, yet TIDA engineers continue to produce high voltage inverter designs where the Rs impedance is kept high (9.1k) seemingly on purpose? Does the settling time or TSN hold value relative to cADC have issues with high impedance sources? Perhaps a fits all approach does not work well in all analog to digital conversions, for TI to ignore the obvious seems sketchy at best. 

Are there trade offs that have not being documented relative to SAR ADC and indirectly monitoring high voltage potentials via ANIx input dividers, it would seem so.. 

  • Hi BP101,
    I'm not an expert in this subject. However, I found some TI app note and blog that be might be helpful in guiding/discussing the source impedance selection. Please take a look.

    e2e.ti.com/.../first-rule-of-thumb-when-driving-adc-inputs
    www.ti.com/.../sboa097b.pdf

    Below link takes you to the TI learner center for all things about ADC. www.ti.com/.../learning-center.html
  • Hi Charles,

    PDF discusses +/-10v being HV and post is referring 50vdc or more. The discussion link is a bit more informative about AINx impedance. Yet TI-Tina transient analysis indicates INA240 output into AINx was (-1.77z) megohms just from adding 100R before the input. Some text suggest instrumentation amplifiers output produces low impedance signals. Don't much matter if transients may invade the signal, transients must be rejected by the AINx input impedance especially if they traverse well below ground or above VREFA+. We may see transients on scope captures but will have little effect to harm the AINx channel if the impedance rejects them.

    Several discussions Google search relative to negative impedance one might conclude the more negative the better isolation is gained between the HV source and MCU. Yet how does that same positive of negative Rs impedance effect settling and acquisition timing?

    The bigger question is how does negative impedance affect the TM4C1294 SAR ADC? Is negative impedance considered better being even lower than the lowest Rs or TSHN encode values?