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F28M36P63C2: ADC Problem, Concerto F28M36

Part Number: F28M36P63C2
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: THS4031

we have some problems with ADC's. The simplest description of this problem is that we see sampled values that are repeated, despite of the fact that the applied signal has not the values that should lead to this repetition

Example:

applied signal ( programmed arbitrary signal with wave form generator)

example:

signal     sampled value

1.23V      956

1.56V      1245

1.97V      1245

2.15V      2049

2.78V      3045

and so on.

this repetion is not periodicaly and is not depending on sampling frequency. SOC Signals and EOC Signals were observed with oszilloskop and are correct. Same behavior can be observed using v220\F28M36x_examples_Control\epwm_adc_soc example from control suite.

For me it's looks like the conversion isn't ready although the EOC and Interrupt are generated or SOC Signal is not recieved although the SOC Signal is generated.

thank for your reply...

Kind regards,

Maxim

  • Maxim,

    Does the adc_soc example work for you? The epwm_adc_soc example has added complexity for debug.

    Are you resetting the device between runs? Sometimes triggers may carry over between runs, which can break event synchronization.

    Are you showing results from a single array of ADC conversions (such as Voltage1[]) or are you showing a combination of both VoltageN[] arrays?

    It might be helpful to sample a slow, continuous signal like a ramp or triangle wave so that we can more easily tell if the result is old or just overlapping.

    -Tommy
  • Hi Tommy,

    the problem is very reproducible. Reseting the device doesn't help.

    I applied different signals from sinus wave to triangle with different frequencies.  The problem remains.  

    Reducing the sampling frequency doesn't help too, but the frequency ( how often the same samples occure) varies. The problem occure with very slow sampled frequency ( 1kHz) too.

    Your quistion:

    Are you showing results from a single array of ADC conversions (such as Voltage1[]) or are you showing a combination of both VoltageN[] Arrays?

    -> I'm showing the results from one Array Voltage1

    thank you,

    Maxim

  • Maxim,

    Are you using a controlCARD for these experiments? Are you using the RAM build or FLASH build? Are you driving both SOC channels? Can you describe your signal source?

    I do see occasional repeated conversion values on my impromptu setup, but I think it is caused by poor signal conditioning on my part. As I increase my EPWM period, the repeated values go away, so it makes me think that what I am seeing is more likely to be noise related rather than state-machine race-condition related.

    -Tommy
  • Tommy,

    no i'm not using the controlCARD, i'm using our inhouse designed Controller Card. But i've measured the signal  which goes to the ADC pin and this is exactly the signal which is applied with signal generator. My signal source is oszilloscope Agillent MSO-X 4034A. There is small low pass filter ( very high cut-off frequency) between signal source and ADC pin.

    With high probabiIlty i can exclude the noise issue, because i tried the experiment with different signals and induced higher/lower noises.

    I've found a ControlCard which we have used initially. I'm going to run the experiment on this card. I will report about results in next post….

    I already completed the test on the original ControlCard. I have this issue on the Controller Card too. It's RAM version that i'm using.

    You' re right, the absolute frequency ( how ofter the repetition occurs) decrease with slower sampling frequency. But for me it's not a problem of noise.

    -Maxim

  • Maxim,

    Are you still suspecting a timing issue where we are reading old data? I have tried an experiment here to help eliminate that possibility.

    Using the epwm_adc_soc example, I set a breakpoint in the ADC ISR for when ConversionCount is reset to 0.

    For the first set of runs, I supply a slow voltage ramp on ADC1INA2, and I leave ADC1INA0 floating. At the breakpoint, I can see some repeated values in the Voltage2 array (ADC1INA2). In the Voltage1 array (ADC1INA0), I do not see any repeats.

    For the second set of runs, I reverse the setup so that ADCIN1A0 has a slow voltage ramp and ADCIN1A2 is floating. I then see repeats in Voltage1, but no repeats in Voltage2.

    To me, this suggests that we are not reading old ADC data.

    -Tommy
  • Maxim,

    It has been a while since your last update. I assume that you were able to resolve your issue. If this isn’t the case, please reject this resolution and reply to this thread. If this thread is locked, please make a new thread describing the current status of your issue.

    -Tommy
  • Maxim,

    You have indicated that you are still having issues. Can you provide an update?

    -Tommy
  • Tommy,

    thank you for catching the issue again. I thought, i gave you the information for reproducing. But unfortunately the information is not in the history.
    However, i modified the adc_soc_example, so you would see how repititions occure. Please observe "RepeatedSamples" variable with the signal you applied


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Uint16 voltage_old;

    Uint32 RepeatedSamples = 0;
    Uint32 AllSamples = 0;
    Uint32 AbsoluteFrequency = 0;

    Uint32 debug_sum = 0;
    __interrupt void  adc1_isr( void )
    {
        AllSamples++;
        GpioG1DataRegs.GPASET.bit.GPIO13  = 1;

        Voltage1[ConversionCount] = Adc1Result.ADCRESULT0;
        if ( Voltage1[ConversionCount] == voltage_old){
            RepeatedSamples++;
            AbsoluteFrequency = AllSamples/RepeatedSamples;
        }
        Voltage2[ConversionCount] = Adc1Result.ADCRESULT1;

        voltage_old = Adc1Result.ADCRESULT0;
        voltage2_old = Adc1Result.ADCRESULT1;

        // If 20 conversions have been logged, start over
        if(ConversionCount == 9)
        {
            ConversionCount = 0;
        }
        else ConversionCount++;
        GpioG1DataRegs.GPACLEAR.bit.GPIO13  = 1;

        Adc1Regs.ADCINTFLGCLR.bit.ADCINT1 = 1;  //Clear ADCINT1 flag reinitialize
                                                // for next SOC
        PieCtrlRegs.PIEACK.all = PIEACK_GROUP1; // Acknowledge interrupt to PIE
        //GpioG1DataRegs.GPBSET.bit.GPIO32  = 0;
        return;
    }
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    - Maxim

  • Maxim,

    I'll try this out on a clean setup.

    -Tommy
  • Maxim,

    Sorry for the delay.  I had to take care of some unexpected matters outside of work.

    I put together a bench setup with a function generator, THS4031 op-amp buffer, and a controlCARD.

    Starting from a fresh copy of epwm_adc_soc running out of RAM, I increased the Voltage[] arrays to 1024 and used your repeat-code detection approach to look for issues.  I did not see anything out of the ordinary.  There were some rare repeats (typically 1/1024 or less), but they coincided with signal peaks and troughs where repeats are most likely to occur.

    I am attaching the conversion results for Voltage2[] from sampling 250Hz triangle, sine, and ramp waveforms.

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    -Tommy

  • Maxim,

    Are you able to take some ADC conversions using a high bandwidth op-amp buffer?

    -Tommy
  • Tommy,

    We will prepare it and take the measurements. I'll inform you About the results

    - Maxim

  • Maxim,

    Is this still an open issue?

    -Tommy
  • Maxim,

    It has been a while since your last update. I assume that you were able to resolve your issue. If this isn’t the case, please reject this resolution and reply to this thread. If this thread is locked, please make a new thread describing the current status of your issue.

    -Tommy
  • Tommy,

    this issue is on our "to do list" with relatively high priority. Unfortanetly there are some issues at the end of the year, that have currently higher prio. The issue you're mentioning comes after that. The hardware , you've suggested is prepared. I'll inform you after the tests, I suppose next week

    - Maxim
  • please, close this issue for the moment.