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LMR16030: Review/opinion for LMR16030 design - Case 1

Part Number: LMR16030
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5013, LM5013-Q1, LMR38020, LM5012

Hi.

Here is the schematic:

SX-Texas-01.pdf

Some of the calculations:

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FEEDBACK RESISTORS
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Vin = 10~65V
Vout = 3.3V
Iout = 3A
Vfb=0.75V
Relationship = (3.3-0.75)/0.75 = 3.4
Resistors = 150R/510R
Vout = 0.75+0.75*(510/150) = 3.3V
Power.Rup = (2.55^2)/0.51 = 6.5mW (ok)

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SOFT-START CAPACITOR
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tSS(ms) = CSS(nF) * VREF(V) / ISS(uA)
tSS(ms) = 1 * 0.75 / 3
tSS(ms) = 0.25ms, 250us

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UVLO/EN
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Vstop = 8V
Vstart = 9.4V
Ihys = 3.6uA
Ien = 1uA
Ven = 1.2V
RenT = (Vstart-Vstop) / Ihys
RenT = ( (9.4-8) / (3.6*10^-6) )
RenT = 388.8K ohms = 390K ohms 1% 0603
RenB = ( Ven / ( ( (Vstart-Ven) / RenT ) + Ien ) )
RenB = ( 1.2 / ( ( (9.4-1.2) / (390*10^3) ) + (1*10^-6) ) )
RenB = 54.48K ohms = 56K ohms 1% 0402
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SWITCHING FREQUENCY
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--> 550KHz
RT[Kohms] = 42904 * (fsw [KHz] ^ -1.088)
RT = 42904 * (550^-1.088)
RT = 44.76K
Chosen RT = 44.2K 1% 0402

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INDUCTOR
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Lmin = ((VinMAX-Vout)/(Iout*KIND)) * ((Vout)/(VinMAX*Fsw))
Lmin = ((65-3.3)/(3*0.4)) * ((3.3)/(65*550000)) *10^6
Lmin = 4.74uH
L = 6.8~10uH
Chosen L = 6.8uH +-20%
6.8uH*0.8 = 5.44uH (6.8uH with -20% de tolerance)
5.44/4.74 = 1.14

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MAXIMUM SWITCHING FREQUENCY
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Chosen inductor = IHLP3232DZER6R8M11 (Vishay)
- Irating = 7A, Isat = 6.7A
- DCR = 33.4mOhm max

fsw(max) = (1/tONmin) * ( (Iout*DCR+Vout+VD) / (VinMAX-Iout*RDSon+VD) )
fsw(max) = ( (1/(90*10^-9)) * ( (3*0.0334+3.3+0.6) / (65-3*0.32+0.6) ) ) / 10^6
fsw(max) = 687 KHz

550KHz / 687KHz = 0.8
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-----> DIODE TVS AT THE INPUT
- Description: Diode TVS of 60V, 5kW, SMC package, PN: Any one with prefix 5.0SMDJ60CA
- Reverse Stand off Voltage VR (Volts): 60V
- Maximum Reverse Leakage IR @ VR (μA): 5uA
- Breakdown Voltage VBR (Volts) @ IT, IT = 1mA: 66.7V Min, 73.7V Max
- Maximun Clamping Voltage VC @ IPP (10/1000μs) (V): 96.8V
- Maximum Peak Pulse Current IPP (10/1000μs)(A): 51.7A
- Maximun Clamping Voltage VC @ IPP (8/20μs) (V): 125.1V
- Maximum Peak Pulse Current IPP (8/20μs)(A): 387.8A

Would it be better to switch the TVS by a varistor? Or another protection component?
Other obervations about the TVS?

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-----> FUSE AT THE INPUT
- 2A, 63VDC, 1206, Slow blow response time, PN CC12H2A-TR (Eaton)
- DC Cold Resistance = 0.1 Ohms
- Breaking Capacity @ Rated Voltage = 50A
- Melting I2t = 1.1

Any observation about the fuse?

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-----> INPUT DIODE AND FREEWHEELING DIODE
- PN MBRAF3200T3G
- 200V, 3A

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-----> INPUT CAPACITORS
- 1x 100nF, 100V, 0603
- 7x ceramic 10uF, 75V, 1210
- Description: Capacitor ceramic SMD, 10uF, 75V, 1210, X7R or X5R, PN CGA6P1X7R1N106K250AC or CGA6P1X7R1N106M250AC or C3225X7R1N106K250AC, all these PNs are from TDK Corporation

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-----> OUTPUT CAPACITORS
- 1x 100nF, 50V, 0402, Low ESL
- 6x ceramic 47uF, 10V, 0805
- Description: Capacitor ceramic SMD, 47uF, 10V, 0805, X5R, PN GRM21BR61A476ME15L (Murata)

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My main doubt is, as the absolute maximum input voltage of the buck IC is 65V, I wanted an opinion if fast voltage spikes/peaks/surges at the supply input could damage the buck IC, and what could be done/improved/changed in the design regarding this. I wanted an opinion about this design. I really wanted that LM5013 chips were already on the market so I could use it in the place of LMR16030.

Regards,
Jeferson.

  • HI 

    You design looks fine to me, you can put more GND copper for C8,C9,C7 instead of cross connection to the GND copper. as highest input current at low vin still below 2A, so  I think the fuse is OK. LM5013-Q1 is ready now, the industrial version may still wait for couple month. but we don't suggest the Vin voltage of LMR16030 higher than its recommend value.  

  • Hi Daniel.

    I did not understood clearly what you mean with this: "you can put more GND copper for C8,C9,C7 instead of cross connection to the GND copper".

    "but we don't suggest the Vin voltage of LMR16030 higher than its recommend value"

    - I have some fear that with this design the LMR could get damaged easily due to surge on the supply input, even with the presense of the TVS diode at the input, I imagine that for some kind of surges at the supply input of the product, that during some microseconds the voltage seen over the TVS could go higher than 65V, that is the absolute maximum rating for VIN pin of the LMR.
    - Maybe, to avoid what was said above (easy damage), I should reduce the voltage of the TVS diode, for 36V or 40V instead of 60V, and specify the product to operate in 12V and 24V vehicle systems only. With the design of the first post, the intention was that the product could be specified to operate on 12, 24 and 48V vehicle systems, in order the product could have more applications with the same board.

    Regards.

  • HI 

    1. suggest put more copper in red box area.  I think it is GND. 

    for the input surge or we called load dump,  24V input , need clamp the voltage under 58V, suggest using 54V or 58V TVS considering the devcie's tolerance and TVS also need time to react the input transient which will make the input higher than clamp voltage. 

    another suggestion is adding bulk cap after TVS which also can absorb the energy from input, cermica capacitor is helpful to reduce noise and ripple but its capacitance is limited.

    For 48V system, I suggest using LMR38020 or LM5012, LM5013 which is 80V or 100V dcdc converter

    Thanks