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TLV741P: Does the TLV741P need an external diode for reverse voltage protection?

Part Number: TLV741P
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLV733P,

Dear Specialists,

My customer is considering TLV74133P, and they have a question.

I would be grateful if you could advise.

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A related thread, regarding TLV733P recommends keeping it below 5% of the device's rated current, and if the current is higher than that, an external Schottky diode should be used to protect the LDO. 

https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management-group/power-management/f/power-management-forum/1118298/tlv733p-does-the-tlv733p-need-an-external-diode-for-reverse-voltage-protection?tisearch=e2e-sitesearch&keymatch=TLV733P#

→Is this comment the same for TLV741P?

I believe that the internal FET's parasitic diode can flow a current close to the FET's drain current rating.

Also, the current does not always flow, but the current flows instantaneously when the power is cut off.

"I would like to know why it is necessary to add a Schottky barrier diode to keep it below 5%."

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I appreciate your great help and cooperation.

Best regards,

Shinichi

  • Hi Shinichi,

    Is this comment the same for TLV741P

    Yes the comment is a general comment for all of our PMOS LDO's The reverse body diode can allow current to flow, but the transistors internal to our LDO's are not designed to do this and therefore operation with repeated reverse current flowing above 5% it's rated forward voltage has been shown to have negative effects upon the lifespan of the device so we do not recommend customers operate this way.

    It is largely to assure that the device continues to operate under the specified datasheet conditions. When reverse currents are forced through the body diode it causes degradation in the performance, and so adding a Schottky diode allows current to flow without harming the device itself.

    Regards,

    John

  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I understand in case of a Pch LDO, the reverse current capacity of the body diode is 5% of the rated current.
    I also understand that an external Schottky diode across the LDO is required to protect against reverse current.

    What about Nch LDOs?
    What percentage of body diode current can flow?

    Could you please let me know Nch LDO product equivalent to the TLV741.

    I appreciate your great help and cooperation.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi

  • Hi Shinichi,

    I'm sorry if my explanation was confusing. For P Channel devices the Drain is at a higher potential than the body due to the reverse voltage condition, this PN junction causes the current to flow form the Drain to the body of the PMOS which flow out through to the input rail. In the case of the NMOS the body diode is developed from the Body, which is P doped, to the Drain, which is now N doped. This is a PN junction that forms the resultant body diode as the Source and Body are tied together.

    In short the junction is once again formed, just in the opposite direction for the NMOS devices, and as such the 5% recommendation before significant damage may occur is still what we recommend for reverse current.

    Link to further explanation and protection ideas for LDO's

    Regards,

    John

  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Regardless of Pch and Nch, only 5% of the rated current can flow through the LDO FET body diode. Is it correct this understanding?

    If so ,regarding discrete FET and DC/DC with built-in FET, the body diode of FET can flow up to the rated current (100%).

    Could you please let me know why is only the LDO FET's parasitic diode limited to 5% of the rated current?

    I appreciate your great help and cooperation.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi

  • Hi Shinichi,

    Our recommendation is to only allow 5% of the rated forward current to ever flow backwards across the pass device of the LDO in order to protect the device from electro migration, excessive die heating, and latch up events.

    It is a function of the Body(Bulk) of the FET being tied to the source of the device, which is not inherent to the design of all FET's. The body diode of the FET, like all FET's can provide >5% current. The 5% is a rule of thumb that we tell to customers to assure safe design principles so that the LDO is able to perform across it's lifetime. If a customer foresees greater reverse current being applied, then we recommend reverse current protection features. I'm unaware of FET's that allow 100% rated current in reverse as that is usually damaging due to the non reversible nature of the MOSFET semiconductors, the source and drain cannot be flipped without vastly different behavior and safety of the FET itself.

    This is only for our MOSFET devices, our bipolar process devices do not have this limitation due to the PNP and NPN junctions inherently providing more robust reverse current protection.

    Regards,

    John

  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I understand that TI's MOSFET type LDOs must limit reverse current to 5% of the rated current for both Pch and Nch.

    Is there a time limit for transient reverse currents?

    I think if it is a short time, the possibility of overheating is low.

    I appreciate your great help and cooperation.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi

  • Hi Shinichi,

    Yes, there is a time component to it, if the reverse is only a femtosecond then no damage will likely occur as the diode was never truly saturated enough to turn on in such an incredibly brief time window.

    Unfortunately we do not characterize a time constant for the breakdown of our pass devices. So I cannot give a specific value that is safe for operation. While the thermals are definitely not going to saturate so quickly, the concerns about electro migration and latch up events are still present.

    Regards,

    John

  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply.

    MOSFET LDOs are sensitive to reverse current.

    I will share with the customer to consider external Schottky diode or NPN/PNP LDO.

    I appreciate your great help and cooperation.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi