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ISO5852S: ISO5852S: It stop working, for no reason, after some hours of operation.

Part Number: ISO5852S
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UCC21750

A month ago, I started a thread here, describing the issue I was having with the IC. After a while and 20 hours of testing where everything was ok, The IC´s VCC and VEE pins got damaged without any apparent reason and were shortcircuited.

The IC ISO5852S was used as part of two driver circuit for a half-bridge LLC resonant converter. One driver was responsible for triggering two switches ( Working in parallel to divide the current on the switches) at the upper part of the leg of the half-bridge, and the other one is responsible for triggering two switches ( again, working in parallel to divide the current on the switches) at the lower part of the leg.

The operational details of the circuit are:

    -The switching frequency of the converter was 80 kHz.

    -The power side of the ICs was supplied by a DC-DC isolated converter RS3K-2424SZ (24 V output and 3W).

    -The power of the half-bridge converter is 6 kW.

Again, for a better understanding of the design, below the schematic of the circuit is depicted.



For a better idea of how the layout was designed, below is a depicted part of it, showing the circuitry related to the Gate Drive responsible for the switches on the upper side of the inverter.



The gate waveform of the four switches is depicted below.


Lower Switches:

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The waveform on the output of each IC is also depicted below. In the first thread here, I was asked to send this waveform, but because at that point we thought the issue was already solved, I completely forgot to send it.


First IC:
                                     OUTH                                                                                     OUTL
  

 Second IC:

                                    OUTH                                                                                     OUTL
    

All waveforms presented here were saved when the equipment was operating at full power, in our laboratory.

At the moment of failure, our equipment was already with 20 hours of testing. the room temperature around the metal case where the PCB was inside, was around 50 degrees Celsius. 

We didn´t measure the room temperature inside the case, but we estimate that it should be around 60 degrees Celsius or even more. 

Our equipment operates on the field under harsh conditions. It is carried on the back of a tractor, inside a metal case that stays under the sun for hours, while it is on.

Do you have any idea of what might be happening with the IC?

In the worst case, just for a matter of testing, is there any other IC that is more robust and can replace this one?

Obs: In order to solve the noise issues presented in the waveforms above, a new layout design was already made, but we still don´t have the PCBs yet. 



  • Hello Vitor, 

    Some comments and suggestions are below - 

    1. I agree that OUTH and OUTL has lots of unexpected noise spikes. The OUT has absolute maximum of VCC2+0.3V and an absolute minimum of VEE2-0.3V, so re-doing the layout to improve the waveform is the recommended approach.
      1. In the meantime, I would suggest checking if it's possible to put a ferrite bead on OUTH and OUTL to suppress some noise from the booster stage.
      2. Also, I would recommend shielding the gate driver as well as the power stage to see if there's any improvement, as it can help with radiated noise. 
    2. Is the first IC damaged, second IC damaged, or both ICs damaged? Do you see damage across different PCBs or fixed at one PCB? 
    3. Do you know if other components are damaged besides the gate driver? Trying to see if gate driver damage is the cause of system failure or the result.
    4. The gate driver can tolerate a maximum of 150 degrees Celsius of junction temperature. Since you're driving a booster stage with 12 ohm resistors, I don't anticipate much power dissipation inside the gate driver itself, but it's always good to monitor the temperature since FETs can easily heat up the ambient temperature. 

    Our latest protection driver family is UCC217XX, with UCC21750 being closest pinout as ISO5852S. UCC217XX has higher CMTI (common-mode transient immunity) compared to ISO5852S. However it's not a drop-in replacement, and minor connection changes are needed. You can explore UCC21750 pinout as an option. 

    Please let me know of the result. 

    Thanks! 

    Vivian

  • Thank you very much for your attention. 

    As you said, this unexpected noise might be one of our major problems. 

    I´m already waiting for a new PCB, where I tried to address all layout issues. 

    I will try to use the beads to at least decrease the noise in this PCB version, just to evaluate how it can improve the signal. 

    After that I will shield the same PCB for the same purpose.

    Unfortunately, this is not the first IC damage, and we had the same issues in other PCBs (all prototypes yet).

    So far it seems that the other components are fine. Only the IC had repeatedly presented problems. 

    I will take a look at the other IC options, thank you for the suggestions. 

    By the way, is there any way to limit the voltage level at the output of the IC? An anti-parallel zener diode could help with that for example.

    If yes could it be a problem too?

  • Hello Vitor, 

    Yes, we have seen other customers using the Zener diode option to clamp OUT voltage. It should be an acceptable approach. 

    Please let me know if you have any update with your testing. Thanks! 

    Vivian

  • Sounds good! I'm going to try it out. 
    I'll let you know, if it solves our problem. 
    Thanks.

  • We cheked the input signal on the pins IN+ and IN-, and it seems that there are a good a amount of noise on it. 
    the peak of the signal goes up to 5,5 V and the its minimum value is -700mV. Does that might be an issue as bad as the one on the OUTH and OUTL pins?

  • Hi Vitor, 

    High noise amplitude on input side might be detrimental as well - the input side tolerates an absolute minimum of GND-0.3V and absolute maximum of VCC1+0.3V. So if you're using VCC1 = 5V, both the positive and negative spikes of the signal exceed the absolute ratings. 

    I would recommend adding decoupling components on the input side if you have the footprint - maybe an 100 Ohm resistor and an 100pF capacitor, forming an RC filter. Also, make sure you're using proper probing technique when probing the input pin, so that you can confirm the noise you see is real, not artifacts caused by probing practice (long ground loop, etc.)

    Best, 

    Vivian