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Wide input, Multi output SMPS dsesign

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UCC28740, PMP9144, TL2844, UC2844, UCC28704, UCC28730, UCC28710

Hello,

I need to design SMPS with the following spec to work as power supply for 3 phase inverter. (IGBT and uC power supply)

Input 175v to 450v AC,50Hz 

Multi Output: 15v,0.3A x 4 nos. all isolated. 10% regulation ok

                     7v, 0.5 x 2 nos. all isolated. I will use Series regulator here. I will use one of 7v as opto input and load remains constant. So cross regulation wont be be a problem, I hope.

I have opted to use UCC28740D or TL2844D.

Kind request to clarify my below doubts

1) Do you suggest any other IC or my selection is ok ?

2) If i use UCC28740D, can I use voltage divider to connect HV pin to limit to 700v ? I do not want to complicate with HV transistor based series regulator

3) Any application note with simple part count for the same ?

4) Can the freewheeling diode be rated to block ~200v ?

5) Any suggestion tool for transformer design. As of now I use PI Expert !

Kind Regards,

Balaji R

  • Hi Balaji,

    I've moved your post to AC/DC conversion to ensure the experts can see it.
  • Balaji

    When you say that the four 15-V outputs are isolated, do you mean that they are isolated from the AC input? Or are they also isolated from each other (isolated GND's)?

    For the 7-V outputs, same question - are they isolated from each other and/or from the 15-V rails? If you plan to use linear regs for these, it would imply that they are derived from one or more of the 15-V rails with same GND(s).

    The linear reg will also be very dissipative at this current level - Pdiss = (15 - 7) * 0.5 = 4 W each!

    Assuming that the 8-W of linear reg dissipation is accepted, the total load power is (15 * 0.3 * 4 ) + (15 * 0.5 * 2) = 33 W. If the 7-V rail is derived from taps on the secondary windings, rectified to their own dedicated output caps, it would be a lot more efficient. Maybe even set these rails ~ 8-9 V, and then use LDO for better regulation, but more efficient because the LDO has less headroom to step down.

    I think the UCC28740 is probably a good IC choice for this power level, using a flyback power stage.

    There is a reference design already on the UCC28740 product folder page PMP9144:
    http://www.ti.com/tool/pmp9144

    This flyback design is rated for 14.5 V @ 2.4 A (35 W), so it's very close to your requirement - you would need to redesign for the higher input voltage range, and add more secondary windings for the various other output rails.

    For the HV pin 700-V abs max rating, 450 V ac + 10% is right at the 700-V rating. You could add a zener in series with the HV pin to drop voltage, so that less voltage is seen at the HV pin. Alternatively, you could feed the HV pin through a resistor and put a zener from HV to GND to clamp the voltage.

    What do you mean by the free-wheeling diode? D oyou mean the flyback rectifier diode?

    The Webench tool does include a transformer design optimisation capability. Unfortunately, this capability is not yet available for UCC28740, I will check to see when this is planned.

    I also find that Webench currently cannot support a design up to 450 V ac and 30 W, there are not enough 1200-V rated FETs in the database. Again, I will check to see when this capability will expanded.

    Meanwhile, you can use the UCC28740 design calculator tool (www.ti.com/.../sluc487) which will calculate the required inductance, turns ratio, and primary Rcs resistor etc. For this design, you would scale all the power to asingle 15-V output initially, then then add multiple secondary widings for the various outputs.

    I hope this is helpful for you.

    If so please click the "verify answer" button.

    Thanks,
    Bernard
  • Hi,

    Thanks for your reply.

    I will use all isolated outputs and not common to ac ground. One linear regulator will be used only at 5v side (7v isolated output). All the 15v will not have linear regulator.

    When I did benchmarking I could see several other manufactures used TL2844 (may be due to high gate driving current of 1A)

    I have few questions here.

    1)What is the difference between TL2844 and UC2844 ?

    2)What is advantage of UCC28740 over TL2844 ? 

    3)If I use 2844, the start up current is 1mA. Since my DC link voltage is 250v - 700v, I would need 250kohm (I will use 50k x 5) to supply 1ma @ start up which would then 2W dissipation at 700v ! Should I consider this resistor wattage as continuous rating or just  used only for start up as the bias winding will going to supply after start up? In such case can I use 0.5w resistor ? 

    4)Regarding flyback snubber circuit across transformer, which one of the below is better ?

     Diode + RC ? or  Diode + Zener/TVS ?

    5)Kindly suggest tool to design transformer for TL2844 based design

    6)What is regulation expected in 15vx4nos  if i take voltage feedback from bias winding itself instead of one of the isolated output+opto.

    It would be great if you put your answer under each of my questions (than a big para as few of my question get unanswered)

    Kind Regards

    Balaji R

  • Balaji

    Sorry for the delay, I was waiting for some answers for you.

    1. TL2844 vs. UC2844:
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    UC2844 is the original device developed by Unitrode. TL2844 is a second source device developed by TI before Unitrode was acquired by TI.
    UC2844 is a superior device, and TL2844 close second source device. UC2844 has premium pricing due to the superior performance.

    2. UCC28740 vs TL2844:
    -------------------------------
    The UCC28740 is specifically targeted at high-efficiency flyback converters, whereas TL2844 is a general purpose single-ended controller that can be used a variety of topologies such as Flyback, forward, buck.
    The UCC28740 employs valley-switching for better heavy-load eff, and modulates the freq lower at lighter load for better light-load eff. It has other features/advantages, such as integrated HV startup (no need for external resistor string for startup, saves a lot of standby power - esp when the TL2844 bias current is so high), much lower bias power consumption, internal low power modes for low bias power at low Fsw, output CC-mode for constant current limit under overload conditions, input brown-out/line UV protection, output OVP, etc.

    3. Startup current:
    -------------------------
    The startup resistor value depends on the size of the VDD cap and the allowable startup delay. But with the TL2844 startup current of 1 mA, this means the startup resistor will need to be smaller value, which then means it will have very high dissipation at high line. The only way to help is to allow for a longer startup delay, and minimise the VDD cap value.

    Alternatively, the UCC28704 has very low startup current (30 uA max) and has integrated HV startup, which eliminates the external resistors, and the HV startup is turned off after startup to get almost zero power loss in the startup path.

    4. Snubber:
    ---------------
    Whether you use RCD snubber or TVS clamp, this depends on your system requirements. This app note gives good background on the pros and cons of each type:
    www.ti.com/lit/an/snva744/snva744.pdf

    5. Transformer tool:
    ---------------------------
    As I mentioned above the Webench tool includes a transformer design & optimisation tool for some parts. This is available for UCC28740 (depending on the design parameters), and should be available later for UC2844 and TL2844. There are also design calculators available for UCC28740 that help you to choose the inductance and turns ratio, although not the detailed transformer spec/construction.

    6. Regulation:
    -------------------
    If you regulate the DC bias rail, the regulation of the isolated rails will not be so good. In this case, I assume that the cross-loading on the isolated rails won't be an issue, i.e. they should all see similar loading? Cross-reg for any flyback will be poor, even with opto feedback, if some outputs see heavy load while others see no or very light load.

    If you want to avoid opto feedback, there are other versions of UCC28740 that use PSR (primary-side-regulation) where the bias winding is sensed directly, before the aux diode, and they give much better regulation than regulating the DC bias rail. Typically better than +/-5% is achievable for single output. For multi output it would be worse, esp if cross-loading can occur. But with similar loading on all outputs, the regulation should be pretty good. There are versions available with built-in HV startup (UCC28710, UCC28730), and with no HV (UCC28704, UCC2870x) - since the startup current is so low, the versions with no HV can still use large value startup resistors, with quite low dissipation in the resistors.

    I hope this helps answer your questions. If so, please click the "verify answer" button.

    Thanks,
    Bernard