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Hi,
I am using Re-chargeable Nimh AA battery (1.2v) at Input of "TPS61021EVM-723" Board and "5.5ohm" fixed load is connected to the output of Board to pull fixed current (approximately 600mA). Theoretically, I must pull 1.45A-1.65A from One AA cell. But Voltage output goes down to 0.1V-0.2V at "TPS61021EVM-723" Board Voltage Output. Also I tested my Cell' s current capacity and it is 2000mA when I did short circuit between (+) and (-) of cell. I am using "GP Batteries" rechargable Cell which details are at below web link. Can you inform me what is the point we missed? Why we can not get output voltage/current at TPS61021 when we used ReChargable Cell as Voltage source at Input?
https://www.gpbatteries.com/int_en/batteries/2700aa
On the other hand, instead of cell I used Power supply as input source. I set the Output voltage of Supply as 1.35V and current capacity as 3000mA. And I connected same Load (5.5Ohm) to the output of "TPS61021EVM-723" Board. And I got successfull test result. My Input voltage¤t: 1.35V@1460mA and Output voltage¤t: 3.30V@600mA. Only there is a problem which that: if my load is not connected to output at initial state and after applying voltage input I connect output Load, I can see 3.30V@600mA at output. But if my load is connected to output at initial state and before applying voltage input I connect output Load, I CAN'T see 3.30V@600mA at output. At this situation I see 0.1V-0.2V at output. So, Can you describe this situation?
Waiting your descriptions and solutions.
Thanks.
Dear Sir,
TPS61021 only support very light load startup. The startup current should be lower than 100mA. So actually we suggest the cusotmer turn-on it at the no load condition, then add the load.
Hi Helen,
Thanks for your support and answer. Actually I added load after startup the boost converter. But ı think your answer is for my second paragraph. After I added load after startup I can get suitable voltage & current at output. But when I use battery cell as input source, I live problem which I defined at below paragraph as before. So, can you check the situation again for battery source input?
"I am using Re-chargeable Nimh AA battery (1.2v) at Input of "TPS61021EVM-723" Board and "5.5ohm" fixed load is connected to the output of Board to pull fixed current (approximately 600mA). Theoretically, I must pull 1.45A-1.65A from One AA cell. But Voltage output goes down to 0.1V-0.2V at "TPS61021EVM-723" Board Voltage Output. Also I tested my Cell' s current capacity and it is 2000mA when I did short circuit between (+) and (-) of cell. I am using "GP Batteries" rechargable Cell which details are at below web link. Can you inform me what is the point we missed? Why we can not get output voltage/current at TPS61021 when we used ReChargable Cell as Voltage source at Input?"
https://www.gpbatteries.com/int_en/batteries/2700aa
Thanks.
Dear Sir,
Did you test the on board voltage when use the Re-chargeable Nimh AA battery, I'm worried that the impedance of the Re-chargeable battery is quite high. So during the start up, the impedance will makes the effective on board voltage lower than the startup voltage.
Hİ Helen,
If you mean VOUT as on board Voltage, Yes as I said before it was 0.1V-0.2V. I couldn't get 3.3V Output Voltage.
Also, what is your suggested Re-chargeable Nimh AA battery product or Manufacturer for TPS61021A? With Which brand battery we can run TPS61021A?
Also, you said the start-up current is 100mA. So, is it input current or output/3.3V current?
I need exact solution and answer for rechargable battery usage to move with TPS61021A.
Thanks.
Dear Sir,
I mean the onboard input voltage should be >0.9V during the startup. Did you measure the input side on board voltage, did you have some waveform?
100mA means the maximum startup load current when Vin>1V, if Vin =0.9V, the maximum startup load current may even only around 50mA.
Hi,
TEST-1:
When I measured the voltage of AA Cell without connecting it to Boost, I see 1.35V-1.40V on AA Cell. When I connected Cell to Boost' s Input as source and also Load (5.5Ohm) is connected at output of Boost, I see Input Voltage (Cell Voltage) as 1.35V approximately. It was >0.9V. But I couldn't get 3.3V at output while Load is connected. After I disconnected the Load at Boost's output, I start to see 3.3V as Vout.
TEST-2:
I used 44Ohm (25W) Power Resistor to pull 50-100mA at output. I saw 3.3V as Vout and I pulled approximately 70mA when 44ohm (25W) Resistor connected. While circuit is running, I connected 5.5Ohm as parallel to 44ohm (25W) Resistor and Boost Vout goes down to 0.1V-0.2V. I couldn't understand situation. You said me the initial start-up load current should be 50-100mA. I provided this condition and while circuit running I tried to pull more current decreasing the load impedance. But I lived same problem. So, what is your suggestion at this situation?
Also, what is Texas (TI) suggested Re-chargeable Nimh AA battery product or Manufacturer for TPS61021A? With Which brand battery we can run TPS61021A?
Thanks.
Dear Sir,
The maximum output capability of the TPS61021A at Vin=1.2V is 3.3V/0.8A. And this 1.2V is the on board voltage, which is tested at the TPS61021's Vin pin(inductor).
The AA battery has big impedance, so with extra 5.5ohm resistive load, the on board Vin=Vbat-Iin* Rbat=1.4V-2A*0.25=0.9V. So even the impedance is only 0.25 ohm, it is already drop to the minimum startup voltage. And the maximum output capability after startup at Vin=0.9V is around 0.5A.
Sorry, we have no experience of the AA battery selection. They need to check with the supplier for the impedance curve.
Unfortunately I couldn't get any solution from TI (Texas Inst) side. I was hoping to get solution about usage of AA NiMH cell with TPS61021A IC. I think ı couldn't move with TPS61021A. At this situation we can move to Li-Ion Battery type.
Some customer use AA NiMH cell, but their maximum load is lower than yours.
Hi,
It can be possible but your IC supports Max 1A@3.3Vout and 1.2Vin. Also my NiMH Cells support max 2000mA when I did short circuit between (+) and (-) polarity.
Thanks.
Dear Sir,
This 1.2V is a stable on board voltage. And the eff curve shows in the datasheet is a tested value based on one IC. Actually, the valley current limit value exists lot by lot difference, which means the maximum output capability also differs lot by lot.