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LM60440AQEVM: Evalboard only starting at higher input voltage after turning off and on again

Part Number: LM60440AQEVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM60430, LM60440

Hi Team,

Can you have a look at below customer questions please?

I soldered my Evalboard LM60440AQEVM to 3.45V output voltage, started it, all good.

Now I started it again - days later - and it starts only at 16V input voltage. When it runs, I can turn the input voltage down to 4V and it stays on.

I don't understand this effect.

I have the EN connected to Vin, this voltage divider on the EVM is out of service.

Where is the error in my thinking or what am I doing wrong? I didn't change anything and it was running before....
Since I want to use the LM60430 in the product I would be very interested in the solution!

So again: Vin up - at 16V comes the output voltage. Vin turn down - under 4V goes the EVM off.

Thank you,

Franz

  • Hi Franz,

    A few things I need to ask:

    1. Is the issue repeatable? Does it only start up at 16V+ every time?
    2. Does this issue occur at load or no load? 
    3. How did customer connect EN to VIN? Easiest way to do that is to short out R5 (REN1) on the LM60440EVM. A shunt jumper between Pin2 and Pin3 of J3 will short EN to VINS. 
    4. Do you have another EVM that you can test and remodify for 3.45V to observe the same potential failure? 

    Normally if the EN pin is shorted to VIN, the device will turn once the enable input rising threshold of 1.23V is cleared and start switching once enough input voltage is applied to sustain the 3.45V output regulation.

    Regards,

    Jimmy 

  • Hi, Olaf here for the answers:

    1. Yes 

    2. Both 

    3. Connection on the board between VINS and EN 

    4. No

    Thanks :-)

  • There is no J3 on this board. I did a wire connection between test-pins VINS and EN. I can measure VIN @ EN.

  • Hi Olaf,

    Can you provide a marked up schematic with the changes you made on the EVM? 

    I don't see why the LM60440 device would have any issues with a 3.45V (close to typical applications of 3.3V). 

    Can you also provide a scope shot of VOUT, SW and VIN with increasing VIN? A timescale of 1s/div with VIN slowly increasing from 4Vin will help show when the device begins switching and regulating.

    Also what input power supply are you using and is it stable? 

    Regards,

    Jimmy 

  • Jimmy, Olaf here. Sorry - i´m on vacation next week. The power source is a professional Rohde&Schwarz HMC8041. Power Supply does´nt matter - the effect is present @ no load, power supply shows 6mA output current. I just asked Franz to send a new one, the scope shots have to wait until i´m back. But from the power supply display- i can tell you that the board will start instant @ 16V - no boating or pulsing before.

  • Correction - i have a R&S 8043

  • Jimmy, in my project i will "receive" an input voltage from a power over cable connection - and because the1st voltage-rail i need, a wonderful TI-LDO :-) will produce 3.3VA. Just for the understanding of 3.45V.

  • I just changed the FB-resistor for 3.45V - nothing else. The EVM did work correct (@5Vin) after this!

  • I can exclude an ESD issue - since 32 years of my hardware development live i never destroyed anything ;-) I know the rules... Mostly i touch the earth of a mains socket before i take a pcb in my hands!

  • Hi Olaf,

    Thanks for the detailed response. The EVM should be robust enough to not get damaged that easily so I am not worried about the handling. Though I too am surprised that this is causing the issue you are seeing.

    I'll need to order an EVM on my end to also test this out as well but I do think this may be a one off issue. It's good that you will be on vacation next week since it will take roughly a week to get the EVM anyways. 

    When the EVM comes in (roughly 3-5 business days) I will test and provide feedback on what I see. Expect to hear back from me on this forum earliest by 5/13. 

    Regards,

    Jimmy 

  • Thanks Jimmy - so long.

  • Will reply to you soon. Thank you. 

  • Hi Olaf,

    Just wanted to give you an update. I believe due to the pandemic situation, package shipment was slightly delayed.

    I've attached the FEDEX tracking number (787016400192) in case you want to know the progress of the LM60440EVMs.

    Hopefully these EVMs come in by end of today so I can start testing and providing you some feedback.

    Sorry for the delays and thank you for waiting. 

    Regards,

    Jimmy 

  • Hi Olaf,

    Apologies for getting back to you so late. I've had a really hectic week and was only now able to test the EVM.

    Please see image below on a waveform image of a brand new LM60440EVM modified for ~3.45-3.5V output with probes measuring VOUT, VIN, and EN. 

    The EN testpoint (TP3) on the EVM was directly shorted onto the VIN test point (TP1) with a jumper.

    I dynamically controlled the input voltage, ramping the input voltage from 2.5V all the way up to roughly 18V and back down, and the device didn't have any issues operating lower than 16Vin. 

    I'd suggest retrying with another EVM to confirm operation.  

    Regards,

    Jimmy