TIDA-010059: LMG3411R050 fault output error

Part Number: TIDA-010059
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMG3411R050, LMG3411R150, TIDA-00915

Hi support team all.

I created a board using the Gerber data published in TIDA-010059.
A 3-phase BLDC is driven in an open loop with sinusoidal wave.
The rotation speed is very low.
I'm currently having a tough issue.
Fault signal is output only from the low side of LMG3411 used in half bridge.
Fault is not output on the high side.
Therefore, I do not think that the cause is that short through current is flowing.
When I monitored the low side LMG3411's VDD, VLDO5V, and VNEG, the waveforms were as shown below.
All power lanes are experiencing significant fluctuations. On the high side, this fluctuation does not occur much.

I think you may have a layout issue with this design.
Could you please help me guess the cause?

Best regards,

Higa

  • Hi Higa,

    Thank you for reaching out to us on testing this reference design and asking the question.

    In fact, the design do have integrated both high-side and low-side 'Fault' signals of all three phases. Please refer to Figure 7 in page 12 of this document: Three-phase, 1.25-kW, 200-VAC small form factor GaN inverter reference design (Rev. A) (ti.com).

    Please also note this in page 11 of the design guide:  In-phase current sense reference design for 230-VAC motor drives using hall-effe (ti.com) that:

    'The only difference is that the TIDA-00915 reference design uses the 150-mΩ GaN power module (LMG3411R150) that has a 6-A RMS continuous current rating, while the TIDA-010059 reference design uses the 50-mΩ GaN power module (LMG3411R050) that has a 12-A RMS continuous current rating.' So we can also refer to the test waveforms in this document, too.

    For the problem of motor runs slow in open loop control, it may possibly be related to the parameters in the control. Could you check it up with aother MOSFET/IGBT drive?

    As for the waveform oscillation, the probe setting may impacts much. Try to make the GND connector as short as possible.

    Best regards,

    Jerome Shan

  • Jerome-san

    Thank you for answering.

    However your answer does not answer my question.

    My question is why only the low side GaN outputs a fault signal.

    I understand that the fault signal is integrated.

    The FAULT signal in the waveform shown is directly measured at pin 32 of Q6 in the schematic.

    The same was true for the other low-side GaNs, Q4 and Q2.

    Could you please give us your opinion on the fact that the FAULT signal is being output rather than the measurement environment problem as you say?

    Regards,

    Higa

  • Hi Higa-san,

    I am sorry I did not catch your points earlier. 

    So you have measured fault outputs on all three low-side switches, but have not captured one on the high-side? 

    LMG3411 can report a fault on OCP, OTP and UVLO. Do you know the cause of the fault for the low-side now?

    Is it possible to make a test on the high-side for this fault purposely?

    Best regards,

    Jerome

  • Hi Jerome-san

    you said:

    So you have measured fault outputs on all three low-side switches, but have not captured one on the high-side? 

    -> Yes.

    you said:

     Do you know the cause of the fault for the low-side now?

    -> I measured the current, but no abnormal current was flowing.
    (The current probe I'm using can only measure up to 20MHz, so it may simply not be possible to measure it.)

    you said:

    Is it possible to make a test on the high-side for this fault purposely?

    -> OK. I'll let me check with only Hi-side.

    Best regards,

    Higa

  • Hi Higa-san,

    If it still has problem, try to increase R21 to 150K (reduce dV/dt to 25V/ns) and increase C45 for better noise rejection on LDO5V.

    Best regards,

    Jerome

  • Hi Jerome-san

    It found that the high side and low side were turned on at the same time in a very short period  (several 10 ns).

    I will close this post for now because I think I can complete it.

    I appreciate for your kind support.

    Thanks.

    Regards,

    Higa