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PMP20021: How to increase efficiency in PMP20021 type circuit to 98%

Part Number: PMP20021
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CSD18504Q5A, LM25119EVAL, LM25119

Hello,

I have a 24V to 12V / 20A buck converter application without ambient air-flow with ambient temperature of 50deg.C.

I was reviewing PMP20021 reference design and was trying to identify the major power loss contributors in that circuit.

If I could increase the efficiency of this design to 98%, then it would suit my application.

Any ideas and comments would help.

Kind regards,

Nitish Agrawal

  • Hello Nitish,
    The major sources of losses in the PMP20021 design are:

    - Inductor (~1.5W)
    - Top and bottom FETs (~1W each)
    - Snubber (~0.4W)
    - Current sense resistor (~0.15W)
    - Controller/drive
    - PCB copper losses

    To improve efficiency, you can try the following:

    1) Lower the switching frequency from 300KHz to 100KHz - 200KHz. At 100KHz, FET switching losses will be reduced by 2/3 or a saving of ~0.5W. However, to keep the same inductor pk-pk ripple current (to maintain the same output ripple voltage), the inductance will need to increase 3X. This will increase the inductors core losses, unless a larger and lower loss core material is used.

    2) The inductor in the reference design was chosen to be small. To reduce its losses, select a larger one with lower winding resistance and a ferrite core material. A core like the Coilcraft SERxxxx series can likely save 0.4W - 0.6W in ac/core losses alone. They also have very low winding resistance.

    3) Reduce or eliminate the snubbers. This could increase the switch-node ringing, so a good layout is necessary. It may also increase EMI. Reduce the snubber by lowering the 2200pF capacitor and not the resistor, as the resistor only affects damping.

    4) A "faster" FET like the CSD18504Q5A has a lower gate charge which should reduce switching losses, but at the expense of a higher Rds_on. There is a trade off between switching losses and conduction losses. In the design, switches losses are about 3X higher than conduction losses, so a slightly faster, higher resistance FET could reduces the overall FET losses slightly. This is best determined by actual measurements.

    regards,
    John Betten
  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your detailed response. I have ordered the eval board LM25119EVAL and will modify it for 24Vin to 12Vout/20A design. Some follow up questions:

    1) If I reduce the switching frequency to 100kHz, would the faster FET in your response (4) be needed ?
    2) I will check out Coilcraft SERxxx line of inductors. Are there other lower loss series you recommend for 300kHz and 100kHz?
    3) Thanks for pointing out the snubber loss.
    4) Depending on my space requirement, I might choose not to reduce the switching frequency, in which case I will look into the faster FET.
    I plan to use the formulas provided by George Lakkas in TI's document slyt664.

    Kind regards,
    Nitish Agrawal
  • Hi John,
    One more question:
    5) From the test result, it appears that PMP20021 achieves 95% efficiency at full load (12V x 20A). 5% of 240W = 12W.

    Based on your loss figures, it appears that ~4W is in the controller / drive (LM25119) and PCB copper losses.
    From LM25119 datasheet, bias current ~ 6.5mA total (max). That would mean LM25119 consumes 24V x 6.5mA = 0.156W.

    Are you saying that ~3.8W is in PCB copper losses?

    Regards,
    Nitish Agrawal
  • Nitish,

    The losses in the components are based on calculations and are only estimates, but represent the majority of the losses. As you push for higher efficiency, it becomes increasing difficult to identify all losses, because even minor ones begin to have an impact. Some of the losses (switching transition times, lower FET body diode dwell time, etc) can generally only be measured to get accurate info. Other terms, not included before, such as FET Coss losses, begin to factor in too.   

    1) If I reduce the switching frequency to 100kHz, would the faster FET in your response (4) be needed ?

    A lower switching frequency will certainly help with switching losses. A faster FET will reduce the remaining switching losses further. I would start with the same FET as in the reference design and try a faster FET if you still need higher efficiency. The risk is that the increase in the new FETs conduction losses outweigh the gains from the switching losses. Alternatively, selecting a lower RDS_on FET for the bottom FET alone could also help (a faster FET for the top, and a lower Rds_on FET for the bottom).


    2) I will check out Coilcraft SERxxx line of inductors. Are there other lower loss series you recommend for 300kHz and 100kHz?

    Most of the major manufacturers, Wurth, TDK, Coiltronics, Pulse, etc make large ferrite inductors. Coilcraft's selector also specifies core loss based on your design inputs, and I believe Wurth's has a tool for this too.


    3) Thanks for pointing out the snubber loss.

    You are welcome.

    4) Depending on my space requirement, I might choose not to reduce the switching frequency, in which case I will look into the faster FET.
    I plan to use the formulas provided by George Lakkas in TI's document slyt664.

    Another possibility is to parallel two FETs. This is beneficial if power in one FET alone creates too much temperature rise. It also decreases the conduction losses, assuming each FET has 2X the original FET's Rds_on, since each FET's conduction loss is based on I^2R. This will not help switching losses, unless each FET is has less than 1/2 the total gate charge of the original. Just another option that could help.

    5) From the test result, it appears that PMP20021 achieves 95% efficiency at full load (12V x 20A). 5% of 240W = 12W.
    Based on your loss figures, it appears that ~4W is in the controller / drive (LM25119) and PCB copper losses.
    From LM25119 datasheet, bias current ~ 6.5mA total (max). That would mean LM25119 consumes 24V x 6.5mA = 0.156W.
    Are you saying that ~3.8W is in PCB copper losses?

    No, as mentioned the losses I mentioned are based of estimates. The PCB copper losses are unknown, but real. The controller losses are what you show plus some of the FET gate drive losses (based on f*Qtot*V). This term is divided up between the controller, the FET gate resistors, and the FETs.

    regards,

    John Betten

  • Hi John,
    I much appreciate your thoughtful responses. You are a great help.
    Appreciatively,
    Nitish