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TCAN1051HV: line termination and ESD protection for fault protected CAN transceiver

Part Number: TCAN1051HV
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Hi,

I was wondering how to protect (if needed) a fault protected CAN transceiver (TCAN1051HV).

The datasheet says CAN lines are protected up to +/-70V (short to battery). This is great.

I was wondering how to design line termination and ESD (ISO 10605, 25KV) protection circuit to survive to such shorts as well.

For instance, TCAN1051HV is not protected up to ISO10605 25KV, or is it?

ISO7367 or ISO16750 pulse 5b (load dump with centralized load dump suppression) for example, battery voltage can rise up to 65V in 10ms rise time, and pulse duration is about 400ms.

With this specs, TCAN1051HV can survive such voltage, but the problem is how to design the line termination and ESD protection so they can also survive to such shorts.

Regarding line termination, I guess this is not only to properly size the resistor, as 120R resistor with 65V across terminals will dissipate near 35W... Even 24V short means 4.8W...

And regarding ESD, any usual ESD TVS diode won't withstand a load dump pulse...

Any help would be greatily appreciated! Thanks,

Carlos

  • Carlos,

    You're right that this is a tough set of requirements, since it would be difficult to find a TVS diode that could either tolerate the 500-ms overvoltage condition or stay out of breakdown until 65 V while still clamping at 70 V maximum. One approach you could evaluate, though, is AC-coupling the TVS diode so that fast transients (i.e., your ISO 10605 ESD pulse) are clamped without subjecting the TVS to low-frequency stresses like your load dump.

    Another approach would be to insert a component between the TVS and your connector that could "open" the circuit in the event of a high-current surge. Here are some "transient blocking units" that you could take a look at: www.bourns.com/.../tbu-high-speed-protectors-hsps. This approach would also help solve the issue of having to size the termination resistors to handle worst-case surge/fault conditions (which usually results in using multiple large resistors).

    To answer your question on TCAN1051HV - it is rated for ISO 10605 ESD pulses up to 8 kV (contact discharge) or 15 kV (air discharge), so some external protection is indeed needed for a 25-kV strike.

    Regards,
    Max
  • Hi Max,

    Thanks for you answer.

    I was thinking about this, and I would like to understand more about what happens when there is a short to in one of the CAN lines.

    In TCAN1051HV datasheet, the driver characteristics are as follow:

    In this case, I think the worst case would be dominant state, where CANH will be VO(DOM) between 2.75 and 4.5V, and CANL between 0.5 and 2.25V.

    It is stated that maximum difference (normal operation) between CANH and CANL is VOD(DOM), 5V worst case.

    Now, let's try 4 different cases:

    - Case 1: put a short between CANH and 24V. What happens to CANL?. Would CANL remain between 0.5 and 2.25V, or would CANL raise to 19V (24V-5V)? What would be the output current of the transceiver?

    - Case 2: put a short between CANL and 24V. What happens to CANH?. Would CANH remain between 2.75 and 4.5V, or would CANH raise to 24V? In this case, the output current of the transceiver would be IOS(DOM)=100mA

    - Case 3: put a short between CANH and GND. In this case, I think CANL will remain between 0.5V and 2.25V, so there is no problem here.

    - Case 4: put a short between CANL and GND. In this case, I think CANH will remain between 2.75V and 4.5V, so there is no problem here.

    Please notice that I'm not considering a short of CANH to 24V and CANL to GND at the same time.

    Cases 1 and 2 are important, because the behaviour of the transceiver will impact the wattage of the termination resistor. If worst case is that CANH-CANL=5V, then a 0.5W resistor would be enough (without considering ESD for now).

    Thanks for your help,

    Carlos

  • Carlos,

    For some reason the image you pasted isn't displaying, but I'm pretty sure I understand what you are asking about.

    For Case 1, CANL will still try to pull towards ground when the driver is dominant. It will not be able to pull it as low as during normal operation, though. There are two factors involved that limit the sink current in cases like this - the impedance of the CANL driver (about 30 Ohms to 50 Ohms in the dominant state) and its short-circuit current limit (100 mA). With a 24-V short on CANH the CANL input would be current-limited, meaning that you would only end up with about a 6-V difference between CANH and CANL (100 mA flowing through the 60-Ohm bus termination).

    Note that under this condition the CANL pin would have about 18 V on it and be sinking 100 mA, resulting in significant power dissipation. This would likely heat up the device and trigger the over-temperature shutdown feature. This would make CANH and CANL high impedance until the device cools off, meaning that both CANH and CANL would again be close to 24 V (since no substantial currents will be flowing into or out of the CAN transceiver).

    For Case 2, the CANH level will be stuck close to 24 V as well. There is a diode in the CANH output driver that would prevent higher bus voltages from coupling through onto the transceiver's power supply. The CANL output would be current-limited and again likely go into thermal shutdown given a long enough dominant state.

    For Case 3, CANL will be close to ground as well. This would look basically like an open-drain driver (pull-down FET) connected to a 60-Ohm pull-down externally (i.e., the combination of the 60-Ohm bus termination and the short-circuit on CANH).

    For Case 4, your assumption is basically right, but the CANH voltage may end up being slightly lower in practice due to the additional common-mode loading presented by the 60-Ohm pull-down (i.e., connection to the ground short through the bus termination).

    It's really the "double fault" condition of 0 V on one end of the termination and VBAT on the other that drives selection of high-wattage resistors. For this kind of fault you don't get the benefit of the protection features of the CAN driver (like short-circuit current limiting and thermal shutdown).

    Hope that all makes sense - let me know if you have questions.

    Max
  • Hi Max,

    Thanks a lot for your explanation. That what I was looking for.

    Next step is to design the protection network, and TBU-CA series seems a good choice.

    Thanks,

    Carlos