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I was working on some example sims in just a diff voltage amplifier and kind of needed how much Icm current is available - the TINA model seems to support 1mA demand before it falls apart. Surprised this spec is not there (or at least I cannot find it) Not sure I want to use the 1mA number as model only. Any better min number available for design purposes.
No answer yet, here is what I have for this sans data. Let me know if I need to change this,
This device might also be used to gain up a small differential signal on top of a larger CM source that varies with time. In this case, the maximum input Icm current for the CM voltage range must be lest than the maximum available internal Icm cancelling current. The specification does not appear in the data sheet but up to 1mA is supported in the simulation model. Backing that maximum off to a safe +/-800uA maximum, use that to design a gain of 10 stage with +/-2V input common mode range. That will then require a 2V/.8mA = 2.5kΩ input resistor with a 25kΩ feedback Rf. These higher R’s will require some compensation. Here, I have added a feedback Cf to give a 1MHz pole then added a differential input C that will shape the noise gain to 10V/V at higher frequency (ref. xx). The input Icm servo loop is cancelling the input 800uA of CM current to hold the input pins at 1V.
Figure xx. Differential gain of 10V/V with +/-2V CM reject.
Hello Michael,
I am looking over your work so far; I do not see an immediate point of concern, but I will check with my team. Several members are either traveling for business.
Best,
Alec
Hey Alec, am I right that there is no min gauranteed Icm current spec in the data sheet? would be useful to have.
Hey Alec, I am seeing a pretty large differential offset in this simulation, even reducing the Icm demand and resetting the input Vicm to 2.5V. Any idea what is going on here?
Oh, I think that is probably the offset between the two Icm currents through the large feedback R's
Hello Michael,
I will ask about if there are internal records of measured or simulated guaranteed minimums for Icm for the THS4567.
Regarding the large differential offset in simulation, I would tend to agree with the cause lying with the Icm current offset.
Best,
Alec
That would be good for the datasheet, but I have already shipped off the article targeting 800uA max.
Hi Michael,
Okay; I am asking one of our designers now.
If there are any other questions you have, please share or ask away.
Best,
Alec
Hello Michael,
I just had a discussion with on of our designers. We were able to come up with a guideline number for a value for ICM current. Your initial safety margin with the 800uV case is a bit high; right now the best we can advise is about half the 1mA, at around 500uV. I know your article has been submitted already; you may use this interim 500uV value as an addendum or note if needed. There will be a resolution of some kind, whether a datasheet revision or pinned note or e2e post.
There is agreement that this information needs to be better represented and should have been provided; I will also update you on that progress and outcome.
Best,
Alec