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Hi.
I am working on implementing a slow peak detector for our power converter, with the goal of detecting output overloads. We have a circuit that monitors the converter's input current and converts it into a PWM signal. At full load, the PWM signal has a peak voltage of 400mV, a duty cycle of 30%, and a frequency of 100kHz. The peak detector is designed to have a slow response to avoid detecting inrush current at startup, which could trigger a false overload flag and shut down the controller (This inrush current can last 100ms).
The circuit performed well at 25°C and 60°C, but when I tested it at 0°C, issues arose. Now, the circuit no longer functions correctly, and the problem appears to be related to the capacitor. Interestingly, when I connect an oscilloscope probe, the circuit operates as expected, and the capacitor voltage is 240mV (which is acceptable) and can work the entire day (I tested myself). However, without the probe, the capacitor overcharges beyond 400mV, triggering the overload flag (this happens after 5-10min). When I measure with a multimeter, I notice the capacitor discharges through the multimeter, which I assume is a similar effect to what happens with the oscilloscope.
Do you have any idea what might be causing this behavior?
P.S.: The picture shows a 100MΩ resistor because PSPICE wouldn't allow me to leave that pin floating.
Hey Andreas,
This is likely happening due to the circuit configuration.
Remember, a CMOS amp like the TLV9302 will have very low IIB which will further decrease as temp lowers.
Since you have a diode from the OPA output to the RC filter, there is no way for C1 to discharge any current back into the OPA. At room temp, the bias current from the TLV9301 likely provides enough of a path to allow for DC current to flow out of the capacitor. At cold temp this bias current likely becomes so small that the C1 will continue to become charged until you hit your overcurrent flag limit.
The system works when you have the scope on it because this acts as some path to RC discharge.
Clearly you do not need much resistance to GND to allow for this circuit to work as the scope probe is enough to get this working.
I would connect some load resistor to GND in parallel with C1 to allow for the peak detector to function properly. Maybe start with a 10Mohm and see where that gets us.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Jacob
Hi Jacob.
Sorry for the delay. I have been testing the circuit these two days to get back to you. It seems the problem was solved by your solution. Placing a high resistor in parallel helped to discharge the capacitor.
Thank you for the help
Hey Andreas,
Great to hear it is working now!
Out of curiosity, what value resistor did you need to use to prevent the overcharging of the capacitor?
Thanks,
Jacob
I placed a 1 MΩ resistor in parallel. I saw that our oscilloscope has 1 MΩ and 13 pF in its specifications. I am waiting to get the 10 MΩ resistor because we didn't have that value in stock or in the lab.
Hey Andres,
Good, 1Mohm is still in a reasonable range for this resistor.
Feel free to reply to this thread if you have any questions.
Best,
Jacob
Hi Jacob.
I noticed that I placed the resistor as a pull-down resistor (1 MΩ) at the output of the diode, and it works fine. However, when I placed it in parallel with the capacitor, the signal doesn’t increase at all.
Hey Andreas,
Great to hear that the circuit is working now.
Sorry for the confusion here. Yes, this alternate placement will work better for allowing the RC to store charge.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Best,
Jacob