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LMK04832: request for design review

Part Number: LMK04832
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMK04828-EP, LMK5C33216, LMX2572LP, LMK04828,

Hi,

Kindly review the attached schematic of LMK04832. And suggest if any changes to be made to achieve the required output rates.

The input & desired output clock rates are mentioned in the schematic.Also please check the Loop filter for this configuration.

Thanks & Regards,

Ranjini.RSCHEMATIC _ LMK.pdf

  • Ranjini,

    There are several problems with this configuration:

    • LMK04832 cannot generate 1440MHz from internal VCO. An external VCO, a higher-frequency distribution mode clock at 1440MHz or 2880MHz, or a different device is required. I believe the LMK04828-EP has 2880MHz in range of VCO1, and this device is p2p compatible and nearly functionally identical with LMK04832 (though phase detector frequency would be cut to 120MHz rather than 180MHz).
    • The least common multiple of 325MHz and 360MHz is 23.4GHz. No clock generator with a single PLL or only integer dividers can produce this frequency combination. If 325MHz is truly required in addition to the other frequencies, you require either a fractional output divider or a two-PLL device/system. The only TI device which supports both SYSREF and the desired frequency plan on a single chip is LMK5C33216, and this may be more complexity than what makes sense for your application. You could use another low-cost PLL to generate the 325MHz clocks from a fractional or low-integer PFD - something like LMX2572LP could generate a decent-quality 325MHz in integer mode with 80MHz PFD, and has the ability to synchronize the divider if for some reason you must synchronize the 325MHz clock to the LMK04828-EP SYSREF. I'm not exactly sure how or if you intend to link 36MHz SYSREF with 325MHz clocks, since the GCD of these clocks is 1MHz., but one of these clocks is labeled LMK_PL_SYSREF... is 325MHz actually the required frequency for these clocks? Do they actually require SYSREF?

    Given the problems with using LMK04832, and the questions open around the design, I'll save my comments on the loop filter for a future iteration of the design.

    Regards,

    Derek Payne

  • Hi Derek,

    Instead of 325MHz, we'll be using 360MHz. Will this be okay?

  • Hi Ranjini,

    To generate 1440M, 360M and 36M clocks out from LMK04828-EP should be good with 360MHz reference input.

    Regards,

    Ajeet Pal

  • Hi Ajeet,

    "To generate 1440M, 360M and 36M clocks out from LMK04828-EP should be good with 360MHz reference input". The part used in our design is LMK04832, our design is in final release stage . Will this part give us the required output?

    Also we have tried simulating in TICS Pro, we were able to achieve this with LMK04832.

  • Hi Ranjini,

    As mentioned in above response by Derek, LMK04832 internal VCOs doesn't support multiple of 1440MHz frequency. Hence 1440MHz can't be generated with LMK04832 device having integer clock dividers. That can be done in distribution mode with external high frequency input.

    Below is the internal VCO range supported by LMK04832.

    Feel free to share your TICS Pro config file to have look on it.

    Regards,

    Ajeet Pal

  • Hi Ranjini,

    The settings in the TICS Pro are not valid as internal VCOs are not supporting the used frequency.

    The tool will be updated to show the error (highlight color - same as LMK04828), when enters the wrong settings (VCO frequencies).

    Regards,

    Ajeet Pal

  • Hi Ajeet,

    After analyzing the requirements, we have updated the frequency requirements in the schematic. Find the details below and please review the same & give your comments.

    LMK_IN_CLK = 360Mhz

    Clock Old Values (Mhz)  New Values (Mhz)
    WB_ADC_CLK  1440  1620
    SYSREF 36 25.3125
    MGTCLK 360 405
    NB_ADC_CLK 360 360


    2705.SCHEMATIC _ LMK.pdf

    Thanks & Regards,

    Ranjini

  • Hi Ranjini,

    The updated frequencies can be supported by LMK04832 with your existing 360MHz reference using PLL2 only.

    Regarding the schematic, below are the few points:

    1. Follow the LMK04832EVM circuits mentioned in user's guide document for schematic update.

    2. Based on your CLKout format requirement, need to provide the terminations at the outputs. Mentioned in section 10.4 in LMK04828 datasheet (applicable for LMK04832 also). Like for LVDS output, if receiver has internal 100ohm termination, then need to keep 560ohm resistor across the output pins before AC coupling caps near to device pin.

    3. For optimizing the loop filter, you can use the PLLatinum sim tool. Below is the simulation file and suggested loop filter components values.

    https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/48/1323.LMK04832_5F00_PLL2_5F00_1620M_5F00_360MREF.sim

    Thanks!

    Regards,

    Ajeet Pal

  • HI Ajeet,

    We have updated the frequency requirements. Find the details below and please review the same & give your comments.

    LMK_IN_CLK = 360Mhz

    VCO0 = 2520Mhz

    WB_ADC_CLK - 1260MHz

    SYSREF - 19.6875MHz (or multiple of same)

    NB_ADC-CLK - 360MHz

    MGTCLK - 315MHz

    Thanks & Regards,

    Ranjini

  • Hi Ranjini,

    You can go ahead with the updated frequencies. LMK04832 can support these frequencies with VCO0 frequency range.

    Regards,

    Ajeet Pal