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Tool/software:
I would like to make sure that the component is compatible with my project.
in my project, I would like to apply a very fast sweeper across two channels: 2.4 GHz and 5.8 GHz.
I need to make sure that the component does provide output frequencies of 10 MHz to 15 GHz as stated in the datasheet.
furthermore, I would like to understand the full capabilities of the frequency hopping rate. What is the fastest frequency change that the component is capable of. Moreover, I need to know what is the possible bandwidth of the output signal. In the datasheet it is stated that the loop bandwidth is 285khz. Does it mean it’s the maximum bandwidth?
For example, In my project I would like to apply a sweep In the channel of 2.4 GHz(which is 80 MHz). and I need to go through the whole channel in 100 microseconds. The question is whether the component step change(frequency hopping) is fast enough for my requirements.
thanks very much for the help.
Hi Michel,
Do you need frequency chirp/sweep or frequency hopping?
Frequency chirp/sweep, the frequency will be change with a fixed step size.
Frequency hopping, the frequency will change arbitrarily.
LMX2594 can support frequency chirp/sweep. See datasheet section 7.3.13 for details. Please also check the user's guide (www.ti.com/.../snau210) for an example plot.
Frequency hopping requires continuous programming of the device to change the VCO frequency. Programming using Full Assist mode can return lowest frequency switching time (<20µs is possible). Details of Full Assist can be found in here: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/snaa336
Possible loop bandwidth depends on fpd, Kvco, Icp, loop filter order and phase margin. You can use PLL Sim (www.ti.com/.../PLLATINUMSIM-SW) to simulate the loop bandwidth based on your configuration.
Thanks for the detailed response.
First, we would like to note that some of the links you provided are not accessible (except for the attached PDF, which we were able to review). Specifically, we were unable to access the link associated with the sweep method or the link for the simulation tool.
To clarify, what we aim to implement in our project is frequency sweep (chirp), not frequency hopping. Our goal is to apply a sweep within the 2.4 GHz channel (80 MHz) and the 5.8 GHz channel (125 MHz) and complete the entire sweep within 100 microseconds(for both channels). We would like to confirm if this is achievable with the LMX2594 and whether it is the optimal component for our project.
We greatly appreciate your assistance and look forward to your clarification.
Hi Michel,
Copy the link here again: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/snau210
Yes, LMX2594 can support these sweeps but it would not be a linear sweep. This is because the VCO sweep range is 320MHz (2.4GHz) and 250MHz (5.8GHz), multiple VCO calibrations are required in the middle of the sweep.
Instead of getting linear sweep like below:
Because of VCO calibration, you will actually get this:
Thank you again, Noel, for your detailed response.
We still need a bit of clarification regarding the VCO sweep ranges and how they apply to our project. The sweeps we intend to perform are:
2.4 GHz to 2.485 GHz
5.725 GHz to 5.850 GHz
To clarify, we are not intending to hop between the 2.4 GHz band and the 5.8 GHz band. Instead, the sweeps will be applied separately within each band. Both ranges are significantly smaller than the stated VCO sweep ranges of 320 MHz at 2.4 GHz and 250 MHz at 5.8 GHz, as mentioned in your previous message.
We would like to understand the following:
What are the exact boundaries of the VCO ranges? For example, if the VCO range at 2.4 GHz is 320 MHz, does this mean it spans from 2.3 GHz to 2.62 GHz?
If the sweep we are performing (e.g., 2.4 GHz to 2.485 GHz) is entirely within the VCO range, will recalibration still be required? Or can we expect a fully linear sweep without interruptions?
Additionally, we noticed from the provided graph that even when the sweep is linear, the device appears to sweep 10 MHz in 200 microseconds, which translates to 100 kHz/µs. However, in our earlier inquiry, we asked if the device could sweep 80 MHz in 100 microseconds, and it was confirmed as possible(also we can see in the data sheet a similar graph that shows a sweep of 120 MHz in 100 micro seconds).
Could you clarify whether this is achievable with the LMX2594, and under what conditions?
Finally, is there another component similar to the LMX2594 that might better meet our requirements for fast, wideband frequency sweeping?
We greatly appreciate your continued support and insights!
Hi Michel,
The VCO of this device is 7.5GHz to 15GHz.
If you want 2.4G to 2.485GHz, the VCO will be 9.6GHz to 9.94GHz, the sweep range is therefore 340MHz.
LMX2594 can support approx. 100MHz linear sweep range, otherwise VCO calibration is required.
The plots I attached here were taken from datasheet, the configurations are different from yours.
With LMX2594, we can do approx. 100Mhz linear sweep in 100µs. However, as mentioned in the datasheet, this 100MHz range is not a guaranteed range especially when taking temperature and part-to-part variation into account.
You need >300MHz linear sweep range, you need discrete solution. That is, a PLL + VCO.
For PLL, we have LMX2491 and LMX2492. We don't have discrete VCO, you should be able to find some from the market.