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SN65LVDS179: Signalling on VIA, VIB, the differential pair doesn't make sense...

Part Number: SN65LVDS179

Transmitting a 20MHz clock between 2 boards using a pair of SN65LVDS179 transceivers. In operation, the clock bursts in sequences of 14 cycles, then goes idle for a period of time, then repeats 14 cycles, etc. On transmit end, the clock signal being transmitted, when measured at the corresponding input pin on the LVDS transmitter is cycling with the expected 0101... sequence (0V to ~3.2V), settling at 0V when idle. At the output of the LVDS receiver on the receive end, the clock that is output is at 3.2V when idle, and when cycling the burst of 14 pulses, the pulses are inverted, so that each cycle goes to 0 from the inverted idle state (so, 3.2V to 0, back to 3.2V, etc). 

Probing with a DSO, the VIA and VIB (diffential pair) signals at the differential inputs at the receive chip (specifically, yellow probe is on the non-inverting side of the 100 ohm term resistor, blue trace is on the inverting side of the term R, scope ground leads tied to signal ground - reference Figure 15 in the data sheet), I see the waveforms in the following figure (red trace is Ch1-Ch2):

 

I was expecting to see the blue and yellow traces to move in opposition, that is, when yellow goes hi, blue goes low (relative to the common-mode offset), similar to waveforms for VIA/VIB shown in Figure 15 of the data sheet. 

The red trace shows when idle there is a DC offset (it is non-zero, just like the output from the receiver chip). 

I repeated the measurement, at the output of the transmitting chip, by placing a 100ohm R across the VIA/VIB pins and measuring each side of R with the two probes. Got the same result.

Replaced the transmit chip with another one and repeated. No change. 

Can anyone tell me if I'm measuring/interpreting this incorrectly, and why the output at the receive end is inverted from what is being input at the transmit end?  

Thank you.

  • Hello,

    What is the scale of the different waveforms in your scope screenshot? You are right that the expected waveform should be as you described: the 2 differential lines should be opposite and switching as shown in Fig. 15 in the datasheet. It almost seems as if the driver is not enabled (not powered?) and what you see is just interference from the input signal!!

    Regards,
    Yaser
  • Hi,

    HI Yaser,

    Thank you for the observations and questions.

    Sorry, so fundamental yet I forgot... Ch1/Ch2 levels were set at 1V/Div.

    Math was at 200mV/Div.

    Ignoring the inverted Ch2 (inverting differential line) the signaling on Ch1/Ch2 i think looks about the right levels, tho the shape is really messed up (input to transmitter is 20MHz square wave).

    I checked power; 3.3V as expected.  Ohm'd the ground, also OK.

    Also checked for short between V+/V- differential lines, again, no problem found.

    Baffled. I'm afraid my debugging skills aren't really good. Any further suggestions on how to troubleshoot appreciated.

    Thank you.

  • Hi Erik,

    One possibility is that the measurement setup may have some issues (scope and probes used). What are the specs for the scope and the probes?

    Regards,
    Yaser
  • Hi Erik,

    Are you sure about the 1V/Div scale? The common mode output should be 1.2V (seems to be twice as much in the scope plot, looking at the part when there is no switching).

    Another thing to check is power supply voltage at the VCC pin of SN65LVDS179 and if it really stays at 3.3 V during operation. If it is not a solid 3.3V, then please check that there is sufficient bypass capacitance between VCC and GND pins of SN65LVDS179. Please see Section 11.2.2.3 in the datasheet for details.

    Also, can you please capture and share the waveform when measured at the output of the driver with 100 ohm termination and with the receiver disconnected? If possible please capture VCC pin at the same time as well.

    Regards,
    Yaser
  • Hi Erik,

    I haven't heard back from you for a while. I will close this thread. Please let us know if you still need support.

    Regards,
    Yaser