TUSB1046EVM: TPS65982 FW config?

Hi, Raymond

     My wording confused your understanding， Sorry. 

     Actually, we just want to check the "PD messages" or "DP ALT messages" when a connection is made.

     And I want to confirm two questions:

1. Can you recommend a PD analyzer/sniffer?

2. I can use the GUI to check the live status reading of the TPS65982 by entering 'Debug mode'.  Can you send me the downloading address of "the GUI"?

I want to check if I had downloaded the right one. 

Thanks.

Have a good weekend!

Haidong

Hi, Raymond

   I had got the TUSB1046 EVM. 

You meaned I can use the GUI to check the live status reading of the TPS65982 by entering 'Debug mode'.  And we had no an external I2C host (i.e. Aardvark adapter) now.

Two questions: 

1. How can I enter 'Debug mode'?

2. How are PC （or USB IF） and TUSB1046EVM connected?

Thanks

Haidong

Hi, Raymond

    I had tested DP ALT mode with TUSB1046 EVM. I seemed not working.

    DP IF input (PC)------> TUSB1046EVM------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C display with 5V power in.

     From PC side, It can detect “the second display”, but not active.  And there is no any display on the monitor.

    Also, I do the following test.

    DP IF input (PC) & USB3.0 host inpu------> TUSB1046EVM------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C display without external 5V power

in. From PC side, It cannot detect "the second display".

   Before I do the upper test. I also do the test with "DP IF input (PC)------> DP to Tpye-C cable------>Tpye-C display".  The testing works normally.

    Can you help me analyze the reason? Thanks

Haidong

Hi， Raymond

    When I did the test of " DP IF input (PC)------> TUSB1046EVM------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C display with 5V power in."    

    I tested CTL0, CTL1 & FLIP， CTL0= High（3.3V），CTL1= Low（0V）, FLIP=LOW （When I changed the Orientation of TYPEC， It will be high）

   The PD chip is TPS65987DHD,  The version of TUSB1046EVM is "INT053 Rev F";

Best Regards

Thanks

Hi Haidong, 

Haidong Fang said:

1. Can you recommend a PD analyzer/sniffer?

We recommend similar devices such as the Total Phase PD Analyzer (https://www.totalphase.com/usb-power-delivery-analyzer/), this device is no longer in production but anything similar should work. 

Haidong Fang said:

2. I can use the GUI to check the live status reading of the TPS65982 by entering 'Debug mode'.  Can you send me the downloading address of "the GUI"?

You can find the download link to the GUI here: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG 

Haidong Fang said:

  I had tested DP ALT mode with TUSB1046 EVM. I seemed not working.

    DP IF input (PC)------> TUSB1046EVM------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C display with 5V power in.

     From PC side, It can detect “the second display”, but not active.  And there is no any display on the monitor.

    Also, I do the following test.

    DP IF input (PC) & USB3.0 host inpu------> TUSB1046EVM------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C display without external 5V power

in. From PC side, It cannot detect "the second display".

   Before I do the upper test. I also do the test with "DP IF input (PC)------> DP to Tpye-C cable------>Tpye-C display".  The testing works normally.

Based on your description, it seems like the PD was able to negotiate a successful power contract and enter Alternate Mode -> Display Port. This seems like something on the TUSB end, I'll forward this thread to the proper team for additional support. 

One note to make, TPS65982 is an older Power Delivery Controller, we do not recommend using this device for new designs as it is outdated in terms of the firmware and GUI configuration. For new designs, please refer to TPS65987DDK. 

Thanks and Regards,

Raymond Lin

Haidong

Can you please send me a picture of the EVM so I can check its configuration?

Another PD analyzer is Ellisys Type-c tracker, https://www.ellisys.com/products/ctr1/. It can decode both PD and DP protocol.

When testing TUSB1046EVM, is it DisplayPort only? If this is the case, are you supply an external power to the EVM?

Thanks

David 

Hi，David

   Please refer to the picture.

Yes，I do the test with “DisplayPort only”. And  there was an external 5V power to the EVM.

    I had tested DP ALT mode with TUSB1046 EVM. I seemed not working.

    DP IF input (PC)------> TUSB1046EVM (with  external5V power in)------> Tpye-C fully cable------>Tpye-C Monitor .

     From PC side, It can detect “the second display”, but not active.  And there is no any display on the monitor.

 I tested CTL0, CTL1 & FLIP，The result are:  CTL0= High（3.3V），CTL1= Low（0V）, FLIP=LOW （When I changed the Orientation of TYPEC， It will be high）. It seems work in USB 3.1 ONLY.

Also， I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

Haidong

The PC should have a standard DP connector, so the connection between the PC and TUSB1046EVM will be a standard DP cable. 

But if CTL0=3.3V, and CTL1 = 0V, then you are in USB3.1 mode as you said, and not in DP Alt Mode. So the Type-C negotiation does not work. 

I looked at the jumper setting and it looked correct. Do you have another Type-C monitor you can try?

Thanks

David

Hi，David

    I confirmed the standard DP connector were used with PC.

    Also  I confirmed “CTL0=H”. 

   This morning. I chaned another Type-C monitor. The result was same as before.

    The TUSB1046EVM board version is “INT053 Rev F”. 

PD IC is "TPS65987D"  .  

And The TUSB1046 is as the following picture. 

And I requested schematic of TUSB1046EVM. And I got one with the version "TUSB1046 - INT053A USB-C(TM) Enabler Board REVA2”

In the schematic, the PD IC is still TPS65982. Can you send us the right version of the schematic ?

Aslo I doubted that the FW version does not matched with the TUSB1046 EVB in my hand. How can I check?

At last， I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

HI, David.

      1. I moved the R13 0 ohem resistor to R11. 

       2.  You said "Can you also pull JMP10 high as well?" Maybe there is a typo.  I made JMP9 （HPDIN）=3.3V ；

       3. Connected CTL0 to GND, CTL1 to 3p3_VCC.

1&2, DP ALT not work;

1&3, DP ALT not work

1&2&3 DP ALT work, the TYPE-C monitor can display well.

May the FW version of TPS 65987 is not right.  Can you send us the right version of FW ？

And how can I downloaded the FW ?

 Also, I had downloaded the GUI from: https://www.ti.com/tool/download/TPS6598X-CONFIG ;

How can I connected PC (installed GUI) and TUSB1046EVM? That is, What's the device (or cable) between PC &  TUSB1046EVM? 

Thanks

Haidong

Haidong

Please see attached binary file for 

INT053D_Firmware.zip

For firmware update, please see this app note, https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slvae21a/slvae21a.pdf. 

Thanks

David

Hi, David

     I had downloaded FW & the app note.

 I also confused the following. 

1. What's the tools used in PC?

2. How do I setup the connetion between PC and TUSB1046EVM (Or, what's the generic tools used in the connection？)

3. How do I operate SW in PC (and setup TUSB1046EVM) step by step?     

Can you give us the user guide with step by step?

For PD IC (TPS65987)

We will use it to service TYPE-C inferface for all the three functions (Modes). A. DP ALT; B. Power Delivery (PD3.0); C. USB 3.1;

  Can the TPS65987 change the modes automatically？

Hi， David 

    Actually，I am very confused.

        For TUSB1046, HDPIN and CTL1 are actually in one PIN. CTL1="H", Actually, HPDIN is "H".

Then I checked JMP9 . 

       In the schematic, R37 should be mounted and R36 should be not mounted.

But in the TUSB1046EVM, R37 was not be mounted, and R36 was mounted.

That is, when I set JUM9（DCI_CLK/HPDIN）=3.3V, actually set DCI_CLK=3.3V. And DP ALT works.

But if I did not set  DCI_CLK=3.3V. DP ALT does not work.

Why?

What's the right setting?

Haidong

Hi Haidong, 

Haidong Fang said:

1. What's the tools used in PC?

The Application Customization Tool for TPS6598x series allow the user to easily generate a configuration for the PD controller based on the system requirements. Once a configuration is complete, user can either use the GUI directly to flash the EEPROM (if available) or generate a binary image of the low region and the full flash. 

Haidong Fang said:

2. How do I setup the connetion between PC and TUSB1046EVM (Or, what's the generic tools used in the connection？)

If you want to re-flash the on-board PD controller (TPS65982) on the TUSB1046EVM you can use an Aardvark adapter to directly flash the SPI memory. You can refer to this tutorial training series on using the GUI to flash: https://www.ti.com/video/6122862051001 

Haidong Fang said:

For PD IC (TPS65987)

We will use it to service TYPE-C inferface for all the three functions (Modes). A. DP ALT; B. Power Delivery (PD3.0); C. USB 3.1;

  Can the TPS65987 change the modes automatically？

TPS65987 will automatically communicate with the connected far-end device to determine the Power Delivery requirements follow by any USB data or DisplayPort enumeration. You will need to configure the PD to be able to detect USB3.1 and DP Alternate Mode through the GUI, more details on how to set it up here: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/slvae16 

Haidong Fang said:

At last， when we complete the evaluation of TUSB1046EVM. We will do our design with TPS65987&TUSB1046. So we also need the source codes of the FW of TPS65987. Can you offer us？ Thanks！

I am not sure what you mean by the source code, you can easily configure the PD behavior through the Application Customization Tool GUI as mentioned before and generate an image. 

I will let David answer the questions regarding TUSB1046. 

Thanks and Regards,

Raymond Lin

Hi， Raymond

     Thank you for your reply.

     You said that "Once a configuration is complete, user can either use the GUI directly to flash the EEPROM (if available) ”

Since we have no "an Aardvark adapter", how can I connected GUI and TUSB1046 EVM?

     Can l  re-flash the on-board PD controller (TPS65987) on the TUSB1046EVM with UART？

    Thanks

Haidong

Hi，David

     I changed R36 to R37 (leave R36 open). The board seems not work.

     If I populate both R36 and R37 together, and leave JMP9 floating. Then TUSB1046 EVB can work as "I2C" mode?

Haidong

Dear customer,

I am following up on this issue. However, the relevant engineer is out of the office and you can expect a response to your thread by Jan 2nd.

Thank you.

Got it

HI, Raymond

    Your answer: "TPS65987 will automatically communicate with the connected far-end device to determine the Power Delivery requirements follow by any USB data or DisplayPort enumeration. You will need to configure the PD to be able to detect USB3.1 and DP Alternate Mode through the GUI, more details on how to set it up here: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/slvae16 "

When I try to use "Application Customization Tool", and creat a "new Project",  

It seems that "Dual Role Port (DRP), prefers data host" and  "Dual Role Port (DRP), prefers Power source"  are different.

Since we need all the three the funcitons "DP ALT, USB3.1, PD3.0 Power soure", Which item should I select? What's the difference?

Thanks

Have a good holiday!

Haidong

Thank you.

Zach

Hi，Shane

   Got it, Thanks.

  Haidong