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PMP22764: Layout difference

Part Number: PMP22764
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5156, LM51561, LM51551, LM5155

Hi support team,

The parts layout of tidt115 and tidm849 appear to be different.
Isn't the characteristic data of tidt115 the data of the layout of tidm849?
Is the layout of tidm849 recommended?

Isolated Flyback Converter (56 V/1.25 A) Reference Design
www.ti.com/.../tidt115.pdf

PMP22764 Assembly Drawing
www.ti.com/.../tidm849.pdf

PMP22764 PCB
www.ti.com/.../tidm850.pdf

Regards,
Dice-K

  • Hi support team,

    I would like to consider whether the parts can be mounted on both sides or whether it is better to use only one side.

    I would like somebody's support.
    The IC to be used will be LM5156 or LM51561.

    Regards,
    Dice-K

  • Dice-K,

    All of the drawings on the website are Rev B, including the test report.  The testing was done with a Rev A PCB modified to Rev B component values.  The PCB was updated to Rev B to meet a specific customer's size requirements.  The Rev B PCB was tested and had the same electrical characteristics as the Rev A PCB modified to Rev B component values.  Both PCB layouts worked ok.  I'll look into updating the test report with a new photo and thermal images of the Rev B board.

    Thanks,

    David

  • Dice-K,

    Yes, components can be mounted on both sides of the PCB.  I would recommend a 4 layer or more PCB.  This will allow at least one layer to be solid copper to provide shielding between components/traces on the two PCB sides and other layers.  Do not place components/traces below the primary FET Q1 or the secondary rectifier D1.  Both of these components are switching relatively large voltages and can be noisy.  They also dissipate power and can get hot.  R2, R4, R10 and R14 also dissipate power, so take this into consideration when placing them or other components around them.

    The LM51561 is best for a flyback converter since it has the hiccup mode short circuit protection.  If you wan the option of using either IC, there is only one pin that is different.  You can use a couple of 0 ohm resistors, one POP, one DNP,  to allow the use of either IC.

    Thanks,

    David

  • Hi David,
    Thank you for your kind reply.

    Please let me know about the replacement of LM5156 and LM51561.
    Where do the resistance POP and DNP indicate?

    Regards,
    Dice-K

  • Dice-K,

    I misread the part numbers.  The LM5156 and LM51561 have the same pinout.  The only difference is the LM51561 has the hiccup mode short circuit protection.  The LM5155/51551 (which do not include the frequency dithering) have one pin different from the LM5156/51561.  If you want the option of using the LM51551 or LM51561 you can add 0 ohm resistors to pin7.  One should connect to ground and one to VCC.  For the LM51551 pin 7 is ground, so connect the 0 ohm resistor to ground.  For the LM51561 pin 7 is dither control.  Connect the 0 ohm to VCC to disable dither or connect the 0 ohm to ground to enable dither.  Sorry for the confusion.

    Thanks,

    David

  • Hi David,
    Thank you for your support.

    Is such a circuit correct?

    7840.LM5155x_LM5156x_pin7.pdf

    Is it a board that can mount both LM5155x and LM5156x?

    (In the case of WSON (12).)

    Regards,
    Dice-K

  • Dice-K,

    Yes, that is correct.

    Thanks,

    David