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SwitcherPro TPS40195 Output capacitors Cout

Hi,

my design will be placed on a processor PCB where a lot of bulk capacitors (in sum approx. 1400uF) are placed.

How do I have to consider this capacitance in SwitcherPro? Do I have to put this capacitance as C10?

 

Best regards

Andreas

 

 

  • Hi Andreas,


    You definitely need to consider these additional capacitors in SwitcherPro because they can significantly impact your stability. Not only do you need to know the sum of your bulk capacitors (which will impact your LC corner frequency) but you also need to know the equivalent ESR of these caps because that will impact your ESR zero frequency. I would do the following:

    1) Click on the inductor in your design and select "Lock".
    2) Click on one of the components in the feedback loop (like C8), the "What If Analysis" will pop up. Click "Lock Components" and "Save Changes".
    3) Replace C2 with one of the 1500uF capacitors in SwitcherPro (like the Sanyo 6SEPC100M)
    4) Click on "What If Analysis"
    3) Click on "Power Stage" tab at the top
    4) Replace "Resistance" value next to "Output Cap1" with your equivalent ESR. You will not be able to change the "Output Cap1" capacitance in this form because this form (unfortunately) does not allow values > 1000uF.
    5) Press calculate. The gain/phase plot in the bottom of the window should update.

    I don't know the specifics of your design so I can only make general comments. If your design has a lot of small capacitors that sum up to 1400uF, the equivalent ESR will probably be small and your originial design may not be stable. I would recommand that you measure (in the lab) your equivalent capacitance and ESR, create a new component with these values, place it in your design as C2 (with all other components unlocked), and allow SwitcherPro to pick a new compensation.

    Regards,
    Michael

    -- 
    Michael Krasnicki
    Analog eLab
    Texas Instruments
  • Hi Michael,

    I have the following capacitors on my design:

    - 4x 4.7u 4Ohm ESR (Tantal)

    - 22x 47u 0.5Ohm ESR (Tantal)

    - 4x 100u 0.9Ohm ESR (Tantal)

    - 3x 47u Ceramic

    and several smaller ceramic capacitors.

    If I generate a dummy capacitor from these values and use it as C2 and use the new compensation and feedback components on my design,  the output oscillates with about 150kHz +-20mVpp

     

    Regards,

    Andreas

  • I've fixed it.  There was a problem with the PCB, so not all bulk capacitors were correctely working. After deleting these in SwitcherPro the design works stable.

    Regards,

    Andreas

  • Hi Andreas,

    We are happy to hear that you were able to identify and fix your PCB.

    Regards,
    Michael

    -- 
    Michael Krasnicki
    Analog eLab
    Texas Instruments