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TIDA-00909: 48 V dc in put with 3 phase high current output to drive motor 45 Hzs to 60 Hzs

DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
Prodigy 120 points
Part Number: TIDA-00909
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMG5200, UCC27210, DRV8350, TIDA-00364, TMS320F280049C, DRV8301, TMS320F28069M, TMS320F28035

i want to developed 48 V dc in put with 3 phase high current output  to drive motor 45 Hzs to 60 Hzs . IS this full kit is available or how i can design i mean what module i need to combine so that will be good as per quality and pricing.

Thank you, 

Chandu

  • 0
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    Thank you for your interest in TIDA-00909. The TIDA-00909 cannot be ordered, but an EVM based on TIDA-00909 can be ordered:

    You can order the EVM part #BOOSTXL-3PHGANINV with the link below. This EVM is the almost the same design than TIDA-00909, except that we added an additional over-current protection in hardware. Please refer to the below link to find the EVM. From that you can also download the updated design files: http://www.ti.com/tool/BOOSTXL-3PHGANINV

    I do not know what you refer to as "high" current. The TIDA-00909 (and the BOOSTXL-3PHGANINV) are design for maximum 7Vrms (10Apeak) current per phase. Please refer to the specification in the TIDA-00909  design guide http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tiduce7b/tiduce7b.pdf, chapter 1.2. Please also check the entire specification in chapter 1.2 Key System-Level Specifications to validate of that design meets your need. Additionally you may also read chapter 4 Testing and Results, for system test results driving e.g. a servo motor. 

    Regards,
    Martin Staebler

    Texas Intrumements

  • 0 in reply to Martin Staebler
    Prodigy 120 points

    Good afternoon Sir,

    Thank you for your help,

    i want to know that is there a way that i can use this board and  drive  my IGBT DRIVE with G60N100 (60A 100v) and can i convert that in three phase?

    if there is any way please let me know,

    Thank you,

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    the TIDA-00909 is based on the LMG5200 80V GaN Half Bridge Power Stage, which includes GaN FET driver and the GaN power FET in a half-bridge configuration. 

    Seems you are planning to use IGBTs power switches rather than GaN FETs. For IGBTs you need an IGBT gate driver. We have multiple TI reference designs for 3-phase IGBTs depending on the DC-link voltage and architecture using non-isolated or isolated IGBT gate drivers. 

    Please refer to below reference designs examples and read the specifications on the corresponding reference design folder and the individual design guide:

    You can find more information on reference designs for industrial drives by visiting our motor drive systems URL: http://www.ti.com/applications/industrial/motor-drives/overview.html

    When you select an end equipment which is close to your needs, you will see a system block diagram. By clicking a subsystem within that block diagram you will get TI reference design and TI products proposals. 

    Regards, 

    Martin Staebler
    Texas Instruments

     

  • 0 in reply to Martin Staebler
    Prodigy 120 points

    Thank you for your support ,

    please confirm that i can use IGBT in put volatage 48V DC to drive my three phase motor with Isolated IGBT Gate Driver Evaluation Platform for 3-Phase Inverter System , is this right?

    as i have seen that DC link input voltage 400 to 1100 V can use this with the drive input volatege 48VDC?

    please let me know,

    Thank you

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    it looks you are using a 48V DC-link voltage. IGBT are typically used for DC-link voltages 320V DC and higher. 

    At 48V DC with a PWM switching frequency of 8 kHz to 16 kHz (equivalent to what is typically used with IGBTs) we rather see Silicon power FETs used. 

    We have multiple TI reference design for a DC-link voltage of 48V with various power levels using Silicon power FETs like our NexFET MOSFET™ and smart 3-phase gate drivers like DRV8350 or half-bridge gate drivers like UCC27210. Please find two examples with higher phase currents below:

    You also may refer to the below end equipment for more TI reference design proposals and products pending your end equipment and specification of maximum phase current.  

    Regards,
    Martin Staebler
    Texas Instruments

  • 0 in reply to Martin Staebler
    Prodigy 120 points

    Thanks for all your help ,

    now i want to buy this 48-VDC Battery Powered Inverter Power Stage Reference Design for 5-kW Forklift AC Traction Motor. please let me help how i can get this . how i can order this. please let me know the detail.

    Thank you,

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    we do not sell the majority of TI reference design like TIDA-00364.

    An option would be that you build your own evaluation prototype of TIDA-00364 by either using the Altium CAD files or the Gerber files and BOM files from the TIDA-00364 design folder working with an PCB assembly manufacturer of your choice.

    When you rebuild this or other TI reference design, please see the Important Notice and Disclaimer at http://www.ti.com/legal/important-notice-and-disclaimer.html covering reference designs and other TI resources.

    Regards,

    Martin Staebler
    Texas Insruments

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    Prodigy 120 points

    Good afternoon Sir,

    Please help me ho i can see the Bill of material for components require for this project.

    Thank you,

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    please follow the link I provided earlier for the TIDA-00364 reference design: http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-00364 

    When you open this TI website, either select the tap 'Technical Documents' or just scroll down until you get to the section Design files (6) for that specific TI design. There you will see the BOM file along with other design files like Gerber, schematic, assembly, etc. 

    Regards,

    Martin Staebler
    Texas Instruments

  • 0 in reply to Martin Staebler
    Prodigy 120 points

    Sir i have finally started  component order and pcb .

    but my main thing i want  is how i can  drive this circuit ? i mean the code to drive this circuit or  to drive two signal PWM_HS and PWM_LS . the controller program i need to do.

    how i can get this

    Please help me , thank you,

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    the TIDA-00364 reference design PCB does not include the microcontroller for the motor control and we do not provide dedicated software for this reference design.

    You may use a C2000 LaunchPad of your choice to drive that power stage. You can find here: http://www.ti.com/microcontrollers/c2000-real-time-control-mcus/design-development.html

    For C2000 software specific for motor control, please refer to the Motor Control software development kit (SDK) for C2000™ MCUs: http://www.ti.com/tool/C2000WARE-MOTORCONTROL-SDK. If you have questions on C2000 software please post the the corresponding C2000 E2E forum.

    Regards,
    Martin Staebler
    Texas Instruments

     

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    Prodigy 120 points

    Good afternoon Sir,

    I am working with  48-VDC Battery Powered 5-KW Inverter Power Stage Reference Design for Forklift AC Traction Motor -TIDA-00364 . As per my knowledge i should use for  my application , (as i don't require Position control )  can select InstaSPIN-FOC for Torque control and Speed control is this right ??

    and if its yes please let me know how do i connect TMS320F28069M with my TIDA-00364 circuit and how i can operate the motor.

    Or please suggest me best program (coding/firmware)  that i can use in TMS320F28069M to start motor with TIDA-00364

    Please help me with,

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Hello Chandu,

    as you wrote, InstaSPIN-FOC is a sensorless FOC solution for variable speed drives. Please go to http://ti.com/instaspin and especially http://www.ti.com/microcontrollers/c2000-real-time-control-mcus/applications/instaspin.html#foc to learn whether it meets your requirements for your AC traction inverter.

    To start evaluating InstaSPIN-FOC you may consider ordering an evaluation kit, which you can find under the above link too. The table lists all currently available options using C2000 derivatives like TMS320F20027F, TMS320F20069M, TMS320F29054M and TMS320F280049C, a power stage EVM and software.

    As you mentioned the TMS320F28069M and your are looking for a 48V DC-link power stage, the Three Phase BLDC & PMSM Motor Kit with DRV8301 and InstaSPIN-enabled Piccolo TMS320F28069M MCU at link: http://www.ti.com/tool/DRV8301-69M-KIT

    To your question on TIDA-00364: The TIDA-00364 as is will not work with InstaSPIN-FOC. InstaSPIN-FOC requires sensing of the 2 or 3-phase currents and sensing of the 3 phase voltages and sensing of the DC-link voltage. This is not implemented on TIDA-00364. To learn on the hardware requirements and interface to a C2000 MCU like TMS320F28069M, please read the InstaSPIN-FOC and refer for example to the DRV8301-69M-KIT. 

    Regards,
    Martin Staebler

  • 0 in reply to Martin Staebler
    Prodigy 120 points

    Thank you ,Martin Staebler,

    thank you for all your help, 

    my application is not that much complicated and need not to  worry about fast start stop and all other critical control . i just want to start my motor with  TIDA-00364 , please let me help with controller side , whaich controller and how i should connecet controller and TIDA-00364 ,so that i can drive my motor simple way.( i mean just need to have simple three phase motor to start and stop ).

    please help me..

    Chandu

  • 0 in reply to DHORAJIYA Chandubhai
    TI__Expert 3410 points

    Chandu,

    please refer to design guide of TIDA-00364 design guide: 

    Section "3.2 Controller Interface Connector Description", table 6 shows the connector table description and section "4.2. Motor Control Algorithm for Testing" explains that scalar open loop V/f control algorithm is used for driving the motor. In this control algorithm, the speed of induction motor and torque output is controlled by the adjustable magnitude of stator voltages and frequency such that the air gap flux is maintained constant. If V/f remains constant for any change in frequency, the air gap flux remains constant and the torque output becomes independent of the motor current frequency. This can be done by proportionally increasing the voltage applied to the motor with increasing speed. Also a startup ramp in V/f is used to reduce the inrush current into the motor during motor startup.

    Detailed implementation of the algorithm is explained in the document Scalar (V/f) Control of 3-Phase Induction Motors[5].
    [5] Texas Instruments, Scalar (V/f) Control of 3-Phase Induction Motors, Application Report (SPRABQ8): http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sprabq8/sprabq8.pdf

    Please note that [5] requires an external speed sensor, hence in addition to TIDA-00364 you need to add a speed sensor. Please refer to the hardware used in [5], which speed sensor and to which C2000 peripheral this is connected. 

    You may also only run [5] open loop V/f only (without speed sensor), which is software build option 'Level 1 Incremental Build' and decide whether this meets your AC motor and application requirements. 

    The C2000 device used in [5] is the TMS320F28035. 

    Regards,

    Martin Staebler