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Searching for first base. DM6467T Digital HD

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TMS320DM6467

I'm trying to get through a morass of confusion with a lack of documentation.  I'm writing this post to (1) ask for help from those leading the way, and (2) provide help to those following.

New project design.  I need huge horsepower, so I'm looking at the DM6467T.  I'd prefer to do digital HD video I/O, but have a compatibility need to analog SD video I/O.  The digital HD part opens a bag of worms.  I'm on an unbelievably short design cycle requirement (<2 months) for doing custom video analytics in the DSP.

QUESTION:

Starting from the Spectrum Digital HD1080p DVM, whose doc is pointed to by the TI DM6467T EVM and is presumably the same thing, I find that this EVM has composite and S-Video in (satisfying my analog SD video in need), plus Component video I/O (presumably providing HD video I/O, but in analog not digital).  How easy or hard would it be, and how should I go about it, to add (A) Composite or S-Video OUT, and (B) DVI or HDMI video IN and OUT?

FOR OTHERS:

I found the TI doc "HDMI Transmitter/Receiver Support on TMS320DM6467" pdf at http://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/an/spraav4/spraav4.pdf .  It refers to SiI9134 and SiI9135, but only in a summary manner.  SiI is http://www.siliconimage.com .  Datasheets on these parts are NOT found on their website, and the SiI9134 seen in SiI9135 illustrations doesn't even exist on their website.  Calling them and then Nu Horizons (distributor), I find it's about intellectual property.  You have to sign an NDA before you can see the datasheet(s).  (Note this doesn't help me for doing early evaluations at all.)  Furthermore, since these HDMI chips include HDCP, you need some additional signing or licensing or something.  This just erects more obstacles to investigating whether or not this is the direction to go at all.

I backed up to DVI, since I don't need HDCP or audio.  Silicon Image has DVI chips.  Great!  I find a datasheet for the one DVI receive on their website, SiI1161.  They seem to have three transmitters, and I'll have to do more investigation to pick one.  Nevertheless, the fact that datasheets are available without all the admin IP gook, might steer me that way.  (Another QUESTION: Will I be able to integrate as easily with these DVI chips as the TI pdf implies I might with the HDMI chips?)

At the moment, I'm thinking I'm going to be forced to do this incrementally.  First, start with the HD1080p EVM as it is, including the wrong fit of the HD video in and ALL the video out.  Port my DM6446 video analytics already developed on a security camera platform, and get it running on the new evm.  Then reassess my final I/O path.  Note that I have extreme size constraints, and already plan to use multiple boards.  With that in mind, I may go ahead and design my own core board, which has distinctly reduced functionality and size requirements from the HD1080p.  Along with that, and here comes some unwanted overhead in my tight schedule, develop a wrong-fit secondary or daughter board containing the details of the wrong-fit video I/O identical to the HD1080p.  Next, cross my fingers, dig deeper in the pile of it, and then develop a revised secondary or daughter board containing correct-fit video I/O.

-Helmut

  • For your question,

    You will need a daughter card PCB. The EVM has many connectors headers, all video I/Os are available.

    For your comment,

    I authored the appnote, and we do have a demo for that, which is internal only at the moment. 9134 and 9135 should have been discontinued by SI. Try 9022A for HDMI transmitter. If I remember correctly, most DVI only takes in RGB data, so you might not be able to do so easily on DM6467T (only outputs YUV422 embedded).

    See here for TI's DVI offering http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/parametricsearch.tsp?family=analog&familyId=533&uiTemplateId=NODE_STRY_PGE_T

  • I have some more "first base" type questions.  This is sufficiently detailed, please organize your excellent and greatly appreciated replies by item number.  Thanks. (I have searched the forum for answers to these questions, but have been unsuccessful in this search.)

    1) I just heard something about availability of the DM6467T chip itself.  If my new board were finished today, could I get those chips right now?  If not, when?  I can't afford to go down this road only to find a dead end.  http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm6467t.html Inventory section shows no reported inventory for the USA.

    2) Similarly, I'm concerned about availability of the DM6467T EVM in the first place.  Salesperson at Spectrum Digital says they sent all the boards to TI and aren't selling it directly at this time.  It must be purchased through TI.

    3) Related to this, there's a "who is who" question.  The TI webpage (can't find exact page any more)  links to Spectrum Digital's HD 1080p EVM page (http://support.spectrumdigital.com/boards/evmdm6467t/revb/).  Does this Spectrum Digital stuff actually match the DM6467T EVM that I would get when I bought it through TI? This "stuff" is the circuit diagram and other things.

    4) I can't find the DM6467T footprint (for anything, need OrCAD).  The link is grayed out at http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm6467t.html .

    5) I find a DM6467T symbol for OrCAD at http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tms320dm6467t.html .  However, it seems incomplete.  It's only the DDR interface, apparently only 1 of 9 symbol pieces.  (I am new to OrCAD and might be misunderstanding.)

    6) About source code, I find some source code on Spectrum Digital's HD 1080p EVM page (link above).  However, the salesperson says this is only source for confirming the individual aspects of the board actually work.  He implies that the source is not good for creating, for example, a demo to go from camera input to monitor output.  He does continue to say that when you order the "kit" from TI, you get source code that IS good for creating a demo.  Well, which "kit" (back to the "who is who" question).  Next, is this indeed the case?  My hope is to get source code that can, out of the box, be compiled to run on the EVM, and be able to cause a camera video input to show up on a monitor connected to the output.  Next, I want to take this source code and incorporate some video analytics that have already been developed on a different non-TI DaVinci camera platform, using XDAIS.  I'm hoping the TI demo source code uses XDAIS, and I can just plug my existing code in, with perhaps only a little glue.  After that, this becomes our prototype product, without violating TI's intellectual property rights on the source code.  (Not interested in reselling source.)

    7) I may need analog SD quality output when using the DM6467T EVM / HD 1080p EVM.  I find design reference stuff for Spectrum Digital's ADV7343 Daughter Card at http://support.spectrumdigital.com/boards/evmdm6467t/revb/files/ADV7343DC_TechRef_revb.pdf coming from http://support.spectrumdigital.com/boards/evmdm6467t/revb/ .  Meanwhile, I find through TI http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/tmdxsdv6467t.html .  Is this the same daughter card?  Spectrum Digital salesman says that they sent all the cards to TI to sell.  If I buy through the TI link above, will the design reference stuff from Spectrum Digital match? 

    8) Is this SD quality output daughter card available?

  • Helmut,

    Most of these are logistic/marketing related questions, I need to get my business team to comment.

    1-3, I need to asking my business team to comment on that

    4-6, http://support.spectrumdigital.com/boards/evmdm6467t/revb/files/Davincihd1080p_EVM_Orcad_revb.DSN is the one that I am aware of. For more, you need to contact Spectrum, we won't be able to comment on that.

    7-8 again business team

  • 6) The demo software that does video loopback is part of the DVSDK (Digital Video SDK) available to download from http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/dvsdk/DVSDK_3_10/latest/index_FDS.html

    This software is validated on the Spectrum Digital DM6467T EVM which is the same as the one TI or a distributor resells.

     

  • 6) I forgot to add that this DVSDK still uses Codec Engine interface for ARM-DSP communication which sits on top of Xdais interface. In principle you can take your xdais c64+ codec from DM644x and include in DM6467 code. See http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/C64x%2B_iUniversal_Codec_Creation_-_from_memcpy_to_Canny_Edge_Detector for more detail on the principles for migrating codecs between platforms.

  • 1) Our typical lead time for this device is 16 week; however, please note this is a general safe quote.  more often than not, the lead times are shorter and changes frequently.  I would contact your local TSR for lead time questions.  I do see a few units at our distributor and a few hundred units of this device available today, but in general there is always some lead time in this industry.

    2) over 100 EVMs in stock, so should be able to get one shipped quickly

    3) Spectrum digital is the design house TI contracted with to have the DM6467T EVMs built; this is the EVM we sell thru ti.com and collateral for this EVM is available thru Spectrum digital website.

    7) yes, the Spectrum daughter card is the same one sold thru TI

    8) yes, we do have a few in stock today so we should be able to ship these out quickly.

    Let us know if these is anything else we can assist with.

     

  • Thanks very much for the quick and excellent support.

    Just so I'm [nearly] absolutely certain...

    3) Juan (hi), indeed SD<>TI.  But SD doesn't call anything a "DM6467T EVM".  They have a "DM6467 EVM" [note missing "T"] and they have a "HD 1080P EVM" which has a DM6467T on the BOM.  I just get really nervous about who's who.  To the best of your knowledge [and you're under oath here :) ] , is the "HD 1080P EVM" from SD the name of the board that TI is selling on the "DM6467T EVM" page?  Yes, I realize I'm getting a little fanatical out it!  I just want to be sure.

    4) Paul, your link for the DSN is the same I have.  That gives me the schematic.  Thanks, sincerely.  However, what I'm missing is the PCB footprint (and symbol per item #5).  I am new to OrCAD, so perhaps I don't realize that the PCB footprint is imbedded in the DSN.  I looked and can't find it, however.  I'm under the impression I need to get a file that contains the PCB footprint.  I can't find it.

    5) Similarly, I can't find the schematic symbol other than it's use in the schematic.  I could just work forward from the schematic, but I'd like to have a free-standing symbol.

    6) Iain, thanks.  Just to be clear, SD does not have a "DM6467T EVM".  They do, however, have an "HD 1080P EVM".  (Am I a broken record, or what?  [I'm trying to diffuse your possible annoyance with me by using some humor.])  In other words, is the software I'll download from SD confirmed on the board I'll order from TI?  Note SD doesn't sell the board they designed, in this case.

    Again, thanks very much.  I'm much closer to the end goal here.  I just need confidence (3,6) and library elements (4,5).

    -Helmut

     

  • Helmut,

    Regarding the symbol, I vaguely remember that spectrum had to generate one for me when I requested it for internal testing, so you will need to talk to them on regarding that.

    DM6467T EVM is HD1080P EVM.

    DVSDk3.1 is tested http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/sdo_sb/targetcontent/dvsdk/DVSDK_3_10/latest/index_FDS.html.