OPA380: A question about transimpedance amplifier

Part Number: OPA380

I setup the circuit above with OPA380.

Is this circuit correct? If correct Vout need to be -500mV, right?

I read near by -500mV with 1000 ohM but for example if I change it with 22 ohM, I didn't get the 5V (its 20V but the upper limit is 5V) or I didn't get -50mV with 20K resistor.

Where is the problem?

This is my test setup. Later I will change the 1000 ohm resistor with 2 platin metal electrode (in salty water) and change the +5V input signal with a bipolar square wave.

I need help to understan TIA configuration, thanks.

over 7 years ago

0 kai klaas69 over 7 years ago

Guru 140200 points

Hi Ismail,

the OPA380 cannot withstand such a high supply voltage. +/-5V is too high. Please read the datasheet.

Kai

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to kai klaas69

Intellectual 625 points

So simply if I change resistor feed below +1.8V, the circuit is correct?

0 kai klaas69 over 7 years ago in reply to as

Guru 140200 points

Hi Ismail,

I'm talking about the supply voltage of OPA380.

Kai

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to kai klaas69

Intellectual 625 points

Ok. I will set single supply configuration.

0 Sean Cashin over 7 years ago

TI__Mastermind 23226 points

Hi Ismail,

A transimpedance amplifier (TIA) is meant to convert a small current signal into a larger voltage signal. Typically, a current signal is connected directly to the inverting input of the amplifier. Since the inverting input is high impedance, all of this current must flow through the feedback (or TIA gain) resistor. Since the amplifier will hold the inverting input equal to the non inverting input voltage, which is 2.5V in this case, the Vout = (Vin+) - Isig * Rf = 2.5V - 1mA * 100V/A = -2.400mV

Your test setup above is an inverting amplifier, with a gain of Rf/Rg = 100/1000 = 0.1V/V. If you change the resistor values, you will get different voltage gains. However, in a TIA with a current input, the Feedback resistor (R1) alone sets the transimpedance gain.

Best regards,

Sean

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to Sean Cashin

Intellectual 625 points

How you generated 1mA current in your circuit?
I put Rg resistor to create current, I hope you understand my point.

0 Sean Cashin over 7 years ago in reply to as

TI__Mastermind 23226 points

Typically this current comes from a sensor like a coil or a photodiode. But you can test the TIA circuit with a resistor and a voltage. To create 1mA in the above circuit, (edited after reading Kai's comment), you could use a 5V input and a 2.5k resistor. (5V-2.5V/2.5k = 1mA)

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to Sean Cashin

Intellectual 625 points

Can you scheme it please?
I used 1k resistor to create current already?

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to as

Intellectual 625 points

look in this topic e2e.ti.com/.../598784
this circuit is what I mean e2e.ti.com/.../6EC_2B00_.png

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to as

Intellectual 625 points

And I'm also trying to mimic this circut e2e.ti.com/.../8168.Conductivity.png
talked in this topic, e2e.ti.com/.../259824

0 Sean Cashin over 7 years ago in reply to as

TI__Mastermind 23226 points

Hi Ismail,

I understand better now. Yes, your circuit is correct. As the conductivity of the soil changes from 1000 ohms, the output voltage will also change.

Vout= Vin * Rf / R(soil)

Best regards,

Sean

0 as over 7 years ago in reply to Sean Cashin

Intellectual 625 points

So the problem was maximum voltage ratings of opa380 only?

0 kai klaas69 over 7 years ago in reply to as

Guru 140200 points

Hi Ismail,

your circuit can become unstable, if stray capacitance is present at the -input of OPA380 or if R2 is very high. So, I would make the following changes:

R3 isolates the input from stray capacitances. C2 additionally improves the phase margin. The simulation assumes stray capacitances of up to 120pF and measuring resistances of 100R to 1M.

I would use a measuring frequency of up to 100kHz. The signal should optimally be a sine wave, or at least a square wave without steep edges.

C3 helps to prevent polarization processes at the electrodes which can be observed when DC voltages are present between the electrodes. Even small DC voltages can totally ruin such a measurement.

Use very short but shielded (!) cables to go to the measuring resistance.

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Kai

0 Sean Cashin over 7 years ago in reply to as

TI__Mastermind 23226 points

There was no problem, The circuit gave you different outputs for different resistor values because that changed the current input.

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