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OPA333: Output Regulation delayed by input Saturation, is there a recovery time on input overdrives?

Part Number: OPA333
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA376, OPA330

Hello dear Developers,

I am using an OPA333 as a non inverting Amplifier with Gain of ~100 3.3V Single Supply. Both Inputs are Protected by BAT54S.

The voltage on the positive input swings from +24V to few mV to -24V, so the Output saturates and than recovers all the time. But with different recovery times from positive and negative overdrive.

If the positive input is coming from +24V the output recovers from 3.3V to 400mV in less than 200us, witch is fine for me, but if the positive input is at negative voltages and comes back to 4mV the output takes upto 2ms to recover.

I missed to make some better screenshots but i was busy understanding whats happening :D

The top signal shows the output of the OPA333, the bottom signal is NOT the voltage on the positive input, BUT it is the INVERTED positive input voltage. You can clearly see the difference in recovery time from positive and negative voltages.

Why is there a recovery time at all and why is it not on both polarities, or am i on the wrong path at all?

Update: I got myself hooked up once again to check the true input voltages at the opamp inputs. As you can see the voltage on the positive input does NOT reach the 3.3V at peak, but does go below 0V at minimum, this explains the difference in recovery time.

Green switched AC Voltage

Blue: output of the opamp, should be xxxmV

Yellow: positive input of the opamp

On the left is the positive input negative so clipped and when back to normal it takes some ms fot the opamp back to normal output

On the right the positive input is never clipped and so the opamp takes much less time to recover

  • Hi Rico,

    the OPA333 uses an offset voltage auto-calibration scheme and needs to have both input pins always at the same potential. If you force a high differential input voltage, strange things can happen, like long recovery times, as you have observed. I wouldn't use an OPAmp containing such an offset voltage auto-calibration scheme, if high differential voltages can develop between the input pins.

    By the way, is there a current limiting resistor at the input? See section 7.3.2 of datasheet.

    Kai

  • Fully understand, thank zou for the answer.

    kai klaas69 said:
    I wouldn't use an OPAmp containing such an offset voltage auto-calibration scheme, if high differential voltages can develop between the input pins.

    Do you recommend any speical op amp for this purpose?

    kai klaas69 said:
    the OPA333 uses an offset voltage auto-calibration scheme and needs to have both input pins always at the same potential.

    So only useful for voltage follower or similar applications?

    kai klaas69 said:
    By the way, is there a current limiting resistor at the input? See section 7.3.2 of datasheet.

    I used BAT54S the clipping: TP4 is the positive input and TP5 the negative input

  • Rico,

    Adding to Kai's comments, OPA333 also includes back-to-back parasitic diodes (see below) which get forward biased when a large differential voltage is applied between the input terminals.  For that reason, you should use a larger than 1k input resistor to limit the current to less than 10mA or risk damaging the part.

    Instead please consider for your application OPA376, which does not have the diodes between the input terminals.

  • Hey Marek, where did you get this information. In the datasheet i can only find on page 5:

    (2)
    Input terminals are diode-clamped to the power-supply rails. Input signals that can swing more than 0.3 V beyond the supply rails should be current limited to 10 mA or less.
  • Most chopper amplifiers, include OPA333, have these diodes which are formed by parasitic action of the front-end switches. 

    You may find them shown on page 16 of OPA330 datasheet (low grade version of OPA333).

  • Hi Rico,

    Marek Lis knows it just because he designed a number of the TI CMOS precision op amps...

    Kai
  • I figured out myself after reading the signature :D Thank you very much!