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AMC1301-Q1: Reg: AMC1301 Simulation in Simetrix with and without Resistor between GND1 & GND2 (for Isolation Purpose)

Part Number: AMC1301-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: AMC1301,

Hi,

   I am using AMC1301 in my Hardware and I am simulating the same using Simetrix 8.3e version. I am verifying the Voltage at VINP and differential voltage at VOUTP & VOUTN . 

Case A: Above simulation is carried out with Different Ground (i.e., with isolation) for GND1 & GND2. This isolation is provided by placing a resistor of 1GOhms between GND1 & GND2 which is shown below. The result is shown below as per the Circuit diagram mentioned below.

Case B: Above simulation is carried out with Different Ground (i.e., with isolation) for GND1 & GND2. This isolation is provided with no resistor between GND1 & GND2 which is shown below. Since the spice code mentioned that it contains 100GOhms between GND1 & GND2. The result is shown below as per the Circuit diagram mentioned below.

Case C: Above simulation is carried out with Ground Reversal (i.e., without isolation). GND2 is considered for High voltage side and GND1 is considered for Low voltage side. The result is shown below as per the Circuit diagram mentioned below.

 Query 1: Which case is correct while doing simulation? Both results vary, But if we observe "CASE A" output matches, Voltage across (INP - INN) = 278mV and Voltage across (VOUTP - VOUTN)  = 1.9V which is almost gain of 7 times matches as per datasheet (G=8.2). While in "CASE B"  is not matching i.e., without external Isolation resistor

Query 2: In "CASE A", when voltage across (VINP - VINN) = 28.22mV during t = 0 to 0.1ms, The output voltage (VOUTP - VOUTN) results with an offset voltage  = -48mV . Is this simulation result correct or not? If correct, what will be the reason of offset voltage?

Query 3: As per spice model the resistance between GND1 & GND2 contains 100GOhms, If I place resistor of 1GOhm externally between GND1 & GND2 this makes an equivalent resistance of 0.99GOhms between GND1 & GND2. Is "Case A" is correct method to proceed?

Query 4: In "CASE C" (without external resistor considered i.e., 1GOhm connected between GND1 & GND2), the High Voltage side is considered w.r.t GND2 and Low Voltage is considered w.r.t GND1. The results are promising when compared to "CASE A" and "CASE B". Need to know, that "CASE C" schematic is correct or not?

Eagerly waiting for your response

Thanks & Regards

Athieshkumar T

  • Hi Athieshkumar,

    I'm not familiar with simetrix, so I cannot comment as to which of these problems are a result of using a different software. 

    1. I would use the configuration that matches datasheet performance. Keep in mind that the device's input voltage range is only specified to be 250mV and the output may be nonlinear beyond 250mV before the voltage starts to clip at 312mV. 

    2. This is not normal device behavior, most likely a result of simulation.

    3. Since the results seem to be correct, yes. 

    4. This is not correct in terms of using the device correctly. For the purposes of simulation, typically the GNDs can simply be tied together.  

  • Hi Alexander Smith,

     Query 1: The offset voltage is appearing over full voltage range, i.e., at t =0 to 0.1ms, the differential voltage appearing is around -48mV.  How this is possible?

    Query 2: Which configuration I need to follow for correct results as shown below 

    Option 1 - With Common ground between GND1 & GND2

    Option 2 - With External resistor of 1GOhm connected across GND1 & GN2.

    Option 3 - With interchanging of resistor i.e., HV side w.r.t GND2 and LV side w.r.t GND1

    Please check the simulation result in Pspcie/Simetrix from your side and provide some clarity or justification for the correct option..

    Thanks & Regards

    Athieshkumar T

  • Hi Athieshkumar T,

    Here is what we use for the TINA reference design: https://www.ti.com/product/AMC1301-Q1#design-development##design-tools-simulation

    You can see that there is a working voltage of 500V implemented between the two grounds, without any resistance. 

    As I said before, I'm not familiar with your simulation tool and would use the configuration that produces correct results. You can also download TINA to simulate the AMC1301-Q1. 

  • Hi Alexander Smith,

    Thanks for your support. 

    Regards

    Athieshkumar T