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BQ24092: BQ24092 not charging

Part Number: BQ24092

Hi,

we are experimenting some problems with bq2409x battery charger.

In one of our device we are using 3 supply methods and one of this is a lithium battery charged from bq2409x.

The device is an EEG recorder that is connected to a patient so once in a while ESD are present at patient input.

In places where ESD are frequent damages to the bq2409x have happen so that no battery charge

is performed anymore and current consumption is higher than normal, also chip temperature on the case can reach 150°C.

This event happened on 10% of the device in use in those places.

So we have tried to repeat the problem in house using a ESD gun with 9KV discharge on patient input.

But first trials have caused the disruption of components other than BQ2409x typically FPGA and Input amplifier, so we should consider also other problems different from ESD.

We have traszorb protection on patient input and also a 3KV gas discharger that bypass the isolation barrier.

In the datasheet the BQ2409x has ESD Ratings of 3KV (HBM) though there is a recommendation to consider ESD handling the device.

Actually in the layout we don’t have close capacitor to the chip supply nor clamp to the voltage on IN, OUT or CHG, PG Pins that we intend to add to consider extra voltages beside ESD.

Does anyone have problem with BQ2409x broken?

Is there any known specific measure to adopt to preserve the bq2409x functionality?

The power supply scheme is attached.

 Thanks for attention

Matteo Sarto

  • Hi Matteo Sarto
    The lack of input and output capacitors is a problem. 1uF to 10uF ceramic (MLCC) with good high frequency performance is need. The capacitors should be located as close as possible to In and OUT with good ground (thermal pad) return. Also see Section 10.2.2.2 and 12.1 of data sheet.

    It is possible that the lack of the capacitors is causing stability issues with the device an damage.

    We have not see problems with this device and failures have not been an issue.
  • Hello Bill ,
    we have adopted the solution and then will do some test also "on filed" to see if the problem is solved.
    Meanwhile, still looking at our circuit we also put a mosfet and a resistor in parallel to the ISET resistor.
    This was done to have a chance to change the charging current with other values beside the one available with ISET2.
    We haven't seen any problems at the moment but we were wandering if ripple on ISET could cause the device to enter “latch off”.
    Thanks for your advise
    Best regards
    Matteo
  • Hi Matteo
    Changing the ISET with an external MOSFET is common and has not lead to Latch Off conditions.

    The problem you are seeing is out of the ordinary.
  • Hi Matteo
    Is this problems resolved, ok to close post?
  • We have not heard from you in a while and will close this thread. If you are still experiencing issues, please feel free to reopen. Thanks.
  • Bill Johns said:
    We have not heard from you in a while and will close this thread. If you are still experiencing issues, please feel free to reopen. Thanks.

    Hello Bill,

    we have made a new board and we are waiting for it to make the test.

    Actually only some board of the previous version stop charging after some weeks of use, so probably the tests will take some time.

    We have also modified the old board adding capicitors close to the BQ24092 and at the moment the device seems to work properly.

    I wouldn't say that we solved the problem but this thread can be closed.

    Eventually I'll come back and reopen it.

    Thanks for your help

    Matteo Sarto