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Need help to minimize the DC-drift on my OPA2209

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA2209, THS4524

Hi all,

I am using OPA2209, powered by +/-15V

The two op-amps on OPA2209 are configured as unity gain follower

Both input+ are connected to ground

I measure the difference between the two outputs. I will accept a constant small DC difference

Unfortunately, I observe the voltage difference between the two outputs is like a charging-style DC-drift as the circuit warms up. When I place the circuit in the fridge, there is a discharging-style dc-drift.

It takes about an hour to settle and and total dc-drift is around 300uV, way higher than the spec of the op-amp.

Any suggestion on how to minimize this?

Thanks for any pointer!

 

 

  • Xun,

    OPA2209 draw a total IQ of 2*2.5mA = 5mA at room temperature which in worst case should result in chip warming up by delta T = P*134C/W (for D package) = 5mA*30V*134C/W = 20C.  Since the maximum drift op OPA2209 is +/-3uV/C (see table below), the largest Vos drift you should see is 2*20C*3uV/C = 120uV (2 times because the drift is not correlated between two op amps).

     

    Since you claim that the total drift is as large as 300uV, this make me think you have a resistive load at the outputs that increase the total power dissipated in the op amps.

    Do you have any resistor connected between the outputs?  I assume you do not short the outputs without balancing resistors.  Under quiescent condition, you should not see a larger Vos drift than 120uV - anything larger than that indicates that the output sinks or sources current which further warms up the chip.  If that's the case, the only thing you can do to minimize the drift is to reduce the loading.

    An another explanation for the excessive OPA2209 drift you see could be that you use resistors to short the the inputs to the ground.  Even though the OPA2209 has a IB current cancellation circuitry, they do not exactly track over temperature.  Thus, as the IB changes in each op amp by slightly different amount it will causes a different drop across the input resistors and shows up as additional drift at the outputs.  For example, 0.2nA differential IB drift would result in 200uV for 1k input resistors.  If this is the cause of your drift, you need to completely remove or minimize the size of the input resistors.

  • Thanks for the insight!

    In my test, there is no input resistors, since both input+ are shorted to ground

    The output drives THS4524 (see below)

    FYI:  the DC-drift is measured at the output of THS4524, but if I short the output of OPA2209, there is minimum dc-drift from THS4524, that's why I am picking on OPA2209.

    BTW, If the warm up takes only a few minutes I don't mind, but one hour is way too long

  • Sorry, but I hit the "Verify answer" key by accident. So this is not closed yet

  • Xun,

    I think you are attempting to do what I had suspected you may be doing - I had brought the issue by asking if you have any resistor connected between the outputs and commented that "I assume you do not short the outputs without balancing resistors. "  But it seems that is exactly what you do when you say: " if I short the output of OPA2209, there is minimum dc-drift from THS4524, that's why I am picking on OPA2209." 

    If you short the outputs of OPA2209 to the ground or to each other, you will push the OPA2209 outputs into short-circuit condition where around 65mA is drawn from each op amp (total of 130mA) .  Under such conditions, the chip will attempt to warm up almost instantaneously by: 15V*0.130A*134C/W = 261.3C! and if it was not for the internal thermal protection circuitry inside the OPA2209, you would have just destroyed the part due to excessive junction temperature. 

    The "drift" you see is not really a drift by the effect of the thermal protection circuit turning on and off.   At around 170C, the OPA2209 circuit detects excessive heating and in order to prevent the damage to IC turns off the output current - the thermal protection is turn-on and the outputs becomes high impedance.  As the chip slowly cools off, at around 150C, the thermal protection circuit turns-off but the chip quickly is pushed back into thermal shutdown due to persisting short circuit condition.  This can go on and on forever as long as you keep outputs of OPA2209 shorted. I hope this helps.

  • Sorry for misleading you, but when I said "" if I short the output of OPA2209, there is minimum dc-drift from THS4524, that's why I am picking on OPA2209.", I removed the OPA2209 at that point just to prove THS2454 was not the source of the DC-drift



  • This is the dc-drift curve