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INA333: What is the minimum output current of INA333?

Part Number: INA333

Hello guys,

One of my customers is considering using INA333 for their new products.
They have a question about the output current as the below. Could you please give me your reply for them?

Q.  What is the minimum output current of INA333?
     The device datasheet shows that typical output currents are +5mA and -40mA.
     They want to know whether INA333 output can sink 5mA or not when the device is operating under all temperature and Vs=1.8V~5.5V.

      If the answer is NO, could you please tell me what the minimum output current is?

Best regards,
Kazuya.     

  • Those values are short-circuit current, i.e., the current that you get when you force the output to ground.

    Figure 29 shows what output voltages you can achieve, depending on the output current and the supply voltage.

    There is no minimum output current. Lower output currents allow more output swing.

  • Hi Kazuya,

    the INA333 is a micropower intsrumentation amplifier. Its purpose is to save supply current. Because of this the INA333 is not designed to handle high output currents. And even if it can sink 5mA, the output voltage will not go all the way down to 0V then. See figure 29 of datasheet.

    Can you explain why you want to sink 5mA? Can you show a schematic?

    Kai

  • Hello Kai, Clemens,

    Thank you very much for your reply.
    Could I ask you an additional question?
    The device Electrical Characteristics shows that Isc(Short-circuit current) is -40mA, +5mA as typical case.
    I think that +5mA means sink current and -40mA means 40mA source current.
    But I think Figure 29 shows that sink current is bigger than source current.

    Which is correct?    Electrical Characteristics or Figure 29?

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • Positive is source current, negative is sink current.

  • Hello Clemens,

    Thank you very much for your reply.
    I understood it in case of INA333.

    But I think positive means sink current and negative means source current in logic devices case.
    I was confused because positive/negative were changed for same flowing direction was different depend on the device category.   

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.

  • This confuses me too. It's probably an error in this datasheet.

  • Hi Kazuya,

    unfortunately, it's a well established tradition to confuse signs in datasheets Relaxed

    Because of that, figure 29 is so important.

    Kai

  • Actually, the INA333 Iout signs are correct because, unlike in case of logic devices, in linear circuits (like op amps or INA's) positive and negative current polarity mean different thing depending whether one refers to the input bias current (IB) or the output current drive (Iout).  Thus, when it comes to the input bias current, IB, positive polarity means that the current goes into the input terminal (like in case of NPN input transistor) while negative polarity means that current comes out of the input terminal (like in case of PNP input transistor).  However, in case of output current, Iout, the definition of polarity is reversed - positive current means the current comes out of Vout (output is sourcing current) while negative means the current goes into Vout (output is sinking current).  

    Therefore, the INA333 datasheet table and Vout vs Iout graph are correct in showing sourcing Iout as positive and sinking Iout as a negative number - see below.

    Having said that, INA333 can easily sink anywhere between 25mA to 40mA output current on 5.5V supply over entire -40C to 125C temperature range BUT may not be able to sink 5mA on 1.8V supply - especially at high temperature.  HOWEVER, please show us the detail customer schematic so we may confirm if in fact their application require 5mA sinking capability because on a single supply, with load resistor connected to ground, NO SINKING current is possible - see below.

  • Hello Marek, Kai,

    Thank you very much for your explanation.
    I understood it.

    Thank you again and best regards,
    Kazuya.